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Author Topic: United State Govt. drops pretense of freedom [NDAA PASSED]  (Read 19969 times)

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Re: United State Senate drops pretense of liking citizens [It got worse]
« Reply #181 on: December 15, 2011, 08:48:03 am »

OBAMA. WHY YOU NO CONSTITUTION? YOU TAKE OATH.
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Re: United State Govt. drops pretense of freedom [NDAA PASSED]
« Reply #182 on: December 15, 2011, 10:57:22 am »

Remember, they added an exception for american citizens saying that, while the military MUST arrest terrorism suspects, they are NOT REQUIRED to arrest citizens.

Of course, that does mean that they may choose to arrest you. They just aren't required to.

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Don’t be confused by anyone claiming that the indefinite detention legislation does not apply to American citizens. It does. There is an exemption for American citizens from the mandatory detention requirement (section 1032 of the bill), but no exemption for American citizens from the authorization to use the military to indefinitely detain people without charge or trial (section 1031 of the bill). So, the result is that, under the bill, the military has the power to indefinitely imprison American citizens, but it does not have to use its power unless ordered to do so.

I will not vote for Obama. Nor will I vote for a republican. I will vote for someone else, and curse the cowards who waste their votes on the same parties as always.

You can't change the system by voting for the same people.
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Re: United State Govt. drops pretense of freedom [NDAA PASSED]
« Reply #183 on: December 15, 2011, 11:15:25 am »

I don't know about you guys, but I think we could solve this by getting Stephen Colbert into office.  :P
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Re: United State Govt. drops pretense of freedom [NDAA PASSED]
« Reply #184 on: December 15, 2011, 11:16:34 am »

I bet some people here will soon come to regret their posts against this NDAA when they get arrested for supporting terrorism (anti-NDAA = pro-terrorism).
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Re: United State Govt. drops pretense of freedom [NDAA PASSED]
« Reply #185 on: December 15, 2011, 01:15:39 pm »

I bet some people here will soon come to regret their posts against this NDAA when they get arrested for supporting terrorism (anti-NDAA = pro-terrorism).
I bet some people here will soon come to regret their posts against this NDAA government corruption and the US economy as it is when they get arrested for supporting terrorismOccupy Wall Street (anti-NDAAOWS = pro-terrorism).

Meh, anything can be considered terrorism, just gotta use them blurry goggle eyes.... it would not be surprising if OWS gets labeled as a domestic terrorism organization.
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Re: United State Govt. drops pretense of freedom [NDAA PASSED]
« Reply #186 on: December 15, 2011, 01:28:42 pm »

I will not vote for Obama. Nor will I vote for a republican. I will vote for someone else, and curse the cowards who waste their votes on the same parties as always.

You can't change the system by voting for the same people.
Obama is probably not going to be the only democrat running for president, so maybe someone else will have a shot.
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Re: United State Govt. drops pretense of freedom [NDAA PASSED]
« Reply #187 on: December 15, 2011, 01:32:37 pm »

I doubt that anyone else could win the democratic primary. Even if there was a primary challenger, my problem is not with just Obama. The entire party structure is broken.
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Re: United State Govt. drops pretense of freedom [NDAA PASSED]
« Reply #188 on: December 15, 2011, 02:46:10 pm »

I doubt that anyone else could win the democratic primary. Even if there was a primary challenger, my problem is not with just Obama. The entire party structure is broken.
Perpetuated by both sides making and keeping laws/regulations that make it hard for outside parties to viably participate. 
Also, the encouragement of the thinking: "Voting for a 3rd party is a wasted vote.  You are better off voting for one of the main parties or don't even bother."  It is a self-fulfilling prophecy...
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Re: United State Govt. drops pretense of freedom [NDAA PASSED]
« Reply #189 on: December 15, 2011, 03:28:49 pm »

I'm voting third party anyway, but I still follow PTTG's thinking.
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Re: United State Govt. drops pretense of freedom [NDAA PASSED]
« Reply #190 on: December 15, 2011, 03:29:44 pm »

I think I might really leave this country now. I really do. This is serious police state legislation.
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Re: United State Govt. drops pretense of freedom [NDAA PASSED]
« Reply #191 on: December 15, 2011, 03:31:33 pm »

I think I might really leave this country now. I really do. This is serious police state legislation.
It's not like there's any country I know that isn't turning into a police state, populist hellhole or fourth-world country at the moment, else I would've moved there a long time ago.
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Re: United State Govt. drops pretense of freedom [NDAA PASSED]
« Reply #192 on: December 15, 2011, 03:34:07 pm »

Here in Bosnia you are free to protest as much as you want, they just ignore you.
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Re: United State Govt. drops pretense of freedom [NDAA PASSED]
« Reply #193 on: December 15, 2011, 03:36:37 pm »

PTTG?? & freeformschooler: Who will you vote for? I've voted Reform and Green in the past, but those are no longer options for me. The only other third parties I know anything about are based on racist philosophies.
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Re: United State Govt. drops pretense of freedom [NDAA PASSED]
« Reply #194 on: December 15, 2011, 03:39:51 pm »

PTTG?? & freeformschooler: Who will you vote for? I've voted Reform and Green in the past, but those are no longer options for me. The only other third parties I know anything about are based on racist philosophies.

What's wrong with the Green and Reform? Or independents?
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