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[Powder Miner]

Think we can extend to Monday? I have this eerie feeling that all of us are kind of busy.

This^

Oh, finals, not midterms. It's legit then.

I've been busy too.

Yes please. Finals lol lol lol

[NativeForeigner]

Extend

Also, Pandar so I don't get lynched before something even happens (other than Toaster dying).

To recap:

Pandar's a Lesser PGO Abbot. Last to vote his lynch asplodes.

Darius is a Cream puff green goo. Can either protect or inspect.

Urist_McArathos is a Vig infiltrator. Can't be tracked/traced.

I'm a Restless Killer Roleblocker PGO.

Powder is a magic lamp cop.

Josh is a Skulker Commando Mad Gunman. If he is lynched, one person voting him randomly dies, he has a kill, and he dies if targeted by a non-kill ability.

We can lynch Pandar, have Dariush make the last vote, I target Powder, Powder targets Josh, and Urist targets me. Josh can target Urist for good measure.

[Dariush]

We can lynch Pandar, have Dariush make the last vote, I target Powder, Powder targets Josh, and Urist targets me. Josh can target Urist for good measure.

And... everyone dies?

[NativeForeigner]

We can lynch Pandar, have Dariush make the last vote, I target Powder, Powder targets Josh, and Urist targets me. Josh can target Urist for good measure.

And... everyone dies?

Including the King. /success and we start a new round with a clean slate.

[Dariush]

We can lynch Pandar, have Dariush make the last vote, I target Powder, Powder targets Josh, and Urist targets me. Josh can target Urist for good measure.

And... everyone dies?

Including the King. /success and we start a new round with a clean slate.

Except there's one very, very large hole in your plan. A gaping one, you could say. That being: if anybody has lied about his role (like having a kill immunity or not being killed by non-kill actions), the whole scheme goes to hell and King wins. And who's the likeliest one to lie? Why, the one who proposed the plan, obviously. Native.

[JoshuaFH]

While it's true that the King can lie about his role, but I would also like to purport that proposing ideas isn't scummy.

[NativeForeigner]

We can lynch Pandar, have Dariush make the last vote, I target Powder, Powder targets Josh, and Urist targets me. Josh can target Urist for good measure.

And... everyone dies?

Including the King. /success and we start a new round with a clean slate.

Except there's one very, very large hole in your plan. A gaping one, you could say. That being: if anybody has lied about his role (like having a kill immunity or not being killed by non-kill actions), the whole scheme goes to hell and King wins. And who's the likeliest one to lie? Why, the one who proposed the plan, obviously. Native.

1. You're already voting for me.

2. Are you really going to accuse me of lying because I came up with the first plan? I never said it was going to be THE plan. Seems to me like you just don't want it to happen.

Josh: Your thoughts? Any alternate plans?

[Dariush]

Seems to me like you just don't want it to happen.

Yes, I don't want it to happen since that would mean handing the King the game.

2. Are you really going to accuse me of lying because I came up with the first plan? I never said it was going to be THE plan.

If you don't plan for your plan to be THE plan... why propose it at all? I'm accusing you not for proposing the first plan, but for proposing a really, really stupid one that will make the King win if we follow it.

[NativeForeigner]

Dariush, you're an idiot.

I propose the plan as a possible plan. Just because I'm not proposing it as the end-all, be-all plan doesn't mean I can't toss it out there as a possibility. The only reason you think it's stupid is because you think I could be lying. You can say that about ANY plan, no matter who proposes it. If I'm not lying, it works and we move on to the next round. There really is no flaw beyond you thinking I'm lying.

I'm pretty sure you're just upset because I had you getting killed my having the last vote. If you have a better plan, say it already.

[Urist_McArathos]

Really, does anyone have a better idea, though?  Clearly we broke the setup so we can know who the King is, or make it impossible for him to win.

Obviously, Native's plan hinges on nobody having lied about their role.  Anyone have a better idea or way to test who is lying?

The only thing I could think of would be to proceed as normal: we go on with Day 1, lynch our likeliest suspect while agreeing on night actions.  Day 2, we compare what happened with what was supposed to happen, and lynch the King based on who turned out to be lying about night actions.

[NativeForeigner]

I've never seen a plan like this really fail in previous rounds. Usually when the king lies, it's about who he's going to kill, and they almost always still end up dead. I still think Pandar, if he agrees, would be the best candidate for a lynch. That will be two less people to worry about at night and the death will be predictable, as opposed to Josh's ability where a random person would die.

[JoshuaFH]

Regardless, EXTEND please. This has been a pretty hectic week for, you know, everybody.

Another thing we can do is force a draw, and then have Dariush and Powder run some inspections, and then run the crazy machiavellian schemes on day 2.

I know I can't be killed, and Pandar and Native can't be targeted period without the King getting killed, so we're already on VERY good footing as far as town powers are concerned. Let's not be hasty and try to waste everyone day one and screw something up accidentally.

[Urist_McArathos]

Extend as well.

I don't know about all this.  It seems off, and terribly anticlimactic.  However, I can't come up with a better plan, so I'm on board.

[NativeForeigner]

Extend, because my last one wasn't bolded.

We could do that, but round 1 is a good demonstration of how things can go to shit on N1. EVERYONE died N1 except for me and the King. He only lost because I was a PGO. Also, I get the feeling that PGOs will soon (if not already) be less effective against the King, either because of a revive or some PGO immunity nonsense. Not sure how likely that is, but I'd like to stop relying on PGOs to save the day soon just in case.

Wubba (or Josh if you know): Does being immune to kills protect you from a PGO autokill?

[JoshuaFH]

I will also bold my extend. Just because all caps might not make the difference.

Really Native, I would presume so, since the rule as WA lays them out are consistent if nothing else, and really, it plays out a little bit like MTG with ability and static abilites and things resolving before other things and actions having a certain order that need to be followed.


It might be an exemption, but I would guess that that is the case. That's why I chose Commando afterall.