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[Urist_McArathos]

Hmm...very interesting.

Well, the night actions should give us some indication of who's lying.  I won't be targeting anyone, for obvious reasons.

[Dariush]

Did you not read my argument against your plan? If the King lied about his... being-killed abilities, we lose. Have you thought about that?

Hasn't caused a problem in the past.

Stop dodging my questions.

[NativeForeigner]

Did you not read my argument against your plan? If the King lied about his... being-killed abilities, we lose. Have you thought about that?

Hasn't caused a problem in the past.

Stop dodging my questions.

You mean the two that don't really need answers? Yes, I read your argument and yes, I've thought about that.

[Powder Miner]

Native, why would you not worry about that? You have the dual possibilities of an unkillable king and the fact that the king would merely have to not action to win, and you still push that plan?

[NativeForeigner]

Because it hasn't affected the dozens of plans in the past. If the king doesn't action, he will still die because someone else is targeting him. The only case where the king wouldn't die is if he is one of the people that's supposed to be targeting the PGOs, and in that case, he's still fucked.

[NativeForeigner]

EBWODP: You guys are just being narrow-minded about having a plan, you're not used to it, but that's what happens in KotM. We all work together on a plan that gets king killed, but instead of doing that, you two are attacking me for coming up with the first plan, which gets nothing accomplished. You should instead be offering modifications to the plan, new plans, or backup plans instead of this bullshit.

[webadict]

Vote Count
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JoshuaFH -
Dariush -
Powder Miner -
Pandarsenic - NativeForeigner,
NativeForeigner - Dariush, Powder Miner,
Urist_McArathos -

Not Voting - JoshuaFH, Pandarsenic, Urist_McArathos,

4 To Hammer. Day Ends Friday 9 PM Central.

[Powder Miner]

Native, we're not railing ony ou because you came up with the first plan. We're railing on you because your plan sucks. It only takes a lie (of which there are many in Mafia) to break, we already know at least one person will not die.
Scumhunting works, and maybe a Magic Lamp-Investigation combo will work also.

Webby, is the target of teMagic Lamp announced publicly upon power transferral?

[NativeForeigner]

Native, we're not railing ony ou because you came up with the first plan. We're railing on you because your plan sucks. It only takes a lie (of which there are many in Mafia) to break, we already know at least one person will not die.

1) Voting someone for coming up with a sucky plan is just a dumb thing to do.

2) No, it takes a lie about being unkillable for it to break. You're missing the entire point of this, are you really that dense?

offering modifications to the plan, new plans, or backup plans instead of this bullshit.

It's almost like I've invited everyone to improve on the plan. Do so. I'm frankly not very confident in the ability of this group to scumhunt effectively when there's only one scum, especially with the way you and Dariush are reacting the the idea of a plan. Dariush will probably get himself lynched, you're not the most experienced player, Pandar's not around much and will probably get lynched, so that leaves me (assuming I don't get lynched), Josh, and Urist in LYLO. A plan is our best bet, even if it's not the first one suggested. So how about instead of voting me because my plan apparently sucks, you come up with something better.

[Powder Miner]

Native, we're not railing ony ou because you came up with the first plan. We're railing on you because your plan sucks. It only takes a lie (of which there are many in Mafia) to break, we already know at least one person will not die.

1) Voting someone for coming up with a sucky plan is just a dumb thing to do.

2) No, it takes a lie about being unkillable for it to break. You're missing the entire point of this, are you really that dense?

I'm not voting you for coming up with a sucky plan, I'm voting it for the fact that it could be easily beneficial tot he King if we run it and that you're still pushing it despite the flaws.

offering modifications to the plan, new plans, or backup plans instead of this bullshit.

It's almost like I've invited everyone to improve on the plan. Do so. I'm frankly not very confident in the ability of this group to scumhunt effectively when there's only one scum, especially with the way you and Dariush are reacting the the idea of a plan. Dariush will probably get himself lynched, you're not the most experienced player, Pandar's not around much and will probably get lynched, so that leaves me (assuming I don't get lynched), Josh, and Urist in LYLO. A plan is our best bet, even if it's not the first one suggested. So how about instead of voting me because my plan apparently sucks, you come up with something better.

I'm currently coming up with a plan, waiting for an answer from Webby, tyvm.

[NativeForeigner]

I'll be waiting.

[webadict]

Webby, is the target of teMagic Lamp announced publicly upon power transferral?

No.

[Dariush]

1) Voting someone for coming up with a sucky plan is just a dumb thing to do.

No. No, it isn't a dumb idea.

2) No, it takes a lie about being unkillable for it to break. You're missing the entire point of this, are you really that dense?

And what exactly prevents the King from lying about being unkillable?

Dariush will probably get himself lynched, you're not the most experienced player, Pandar's not around much and will probably get lynched, so that leaves me (assuming I don't get lynched), Josh, and Urist in LYLO.

...Do you even realize the sheer stupidity and scumminess of that prediction?

So how about instead of voting me because my plan apparently sucks, you come up with something better.

Already did.

You mean the two that don't really need answers? Yes, I read your argument and yes, I've thought about that.

And after you had thought of that... what did you figure?

[NativeForeigner]

Yes, yes it is a dumb idea. Instead of adding or discussing the plan you instead flip out and attack the one who suggested it.

Nothing. But the likelihood of the king being unkillable seems low to me.

No, I don't. Because it's neither.

If you call that better.

I figure the chances are low enough that it'll still work.

[Pandarsenic]

Extend until there's consensus. Dariush's reaction strikes me more as fear than concern, just as a note.

Also, I wouldn't put an unkillable King Mafia past Wuba.