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[Think0028]

Extend.

[Toaster]

Day has been extended.  Day 4 will last until Friday, 12/30 at 11 PM EST.

[Jim Groovester]

Ottofar, why were you so useless yesterday?

Powder Miner, why were you so useless yesterday?

NUKE: Why tonight? Wouldn't it have been better to use it after somebody claims an important power role?
Dariush, for RVSing on day 3 and the reasons listed yesterday.

What were these reasons?

I am the Tentation of St-Antoine, redirector

powers are:

Weird : Anyone targettting me in the ngiht get a random new target
Surrealism : that change the target of a selected player, randomly. Did not use it night 1, then used on native day 2.
Obelisk elephant : Remove any auto ability another player may possess, it is a I shot. Used on Nuke, since i was rather certain that defcon would be auto. Apparently not, or he is not the defcon

Whom did you use your ability on Night 3?

And when did you use your one-shot ability on NUKE9.13?

I think Nuke is scum

While you may be a miller I think that you have been hurting the town more then helping it. Your nolynch mantra and your blowing up hasn't really been helping the town find scum. It seems to me that you're scum who almost got lynched after buddying with webadict, yet you continue to cast around and strike at anyone you can, making excuses as to why you are still alive.

This is like, a lazy scum vote.

Andrew425, why are you voting like lazy lurking scum? Is it because you're lazy lurking scum? Because it looks like you're lazy lurking scum.

[Powder Miner]

Powder Miner, why were you so useless yesterday?

Because I was at my grandparents' house and didn't have time to post.

[Orangebottle]

-Question dodging(A single opinion, on everyone who isn't NUKE?)[He's dodged the same rephrased question three times. A very simple one, I might add.]
-Lying about previous games.(When NUKE is town...)[Here's a link to Ockham's Mafia where little of what he said happened actually happened. Centered right on NUKE's first post.]

And, here's a quote that's relevant to the second point.

Orangebottle: And again, how did that lead you to think that Dariush was both saying that NUKE's scum meta = NUKE's town meta AND lying about NUKE's scum meta being more extreme than his town meta?  You clearly understood his statement enough to tell that he was saying that NUKE's scum meta was more extreme than his town meta, or you wouldn't be accusing Dariush of lying.

Let me spell it out for you:

NUKE always does something to try and end RVS as quickly as possible.  He does this regardless of whether he is scum or town. He also gets attacked by Dariush every game, and Dariush usually has some reason behind the attack. Nuke did nothing different than he would've done in Ockham's Mafia were he town. He asked everyone to flavorhunt instead of scumhunt, which immediately killed RVS as he would've hoped. He then got into a fight with Dariush that Dariush brought on himself by voting for NUKE for the absolute shittiest reasons ever(except that was a scum ploy the whole time). Everything seemed like average NUKE behavior. Dariush, however, usually has a decent reason for voting for NUKE, and usually only does it once or twice. In OM, he used the most terrible reasons he could find and voted for him five times in two days. Dariush was the one exaggerating the meta, not NUKE. Since NUKE's scummeta in OM was equivalent to his usual townmeta, using that as an example lead to my confusion regarding what he said. This also lead to the accusation of lying, because his metas are equal. NUKE is no more extreme as scum than he is as town.

Also, if you look around the links in my points you're going to head into the part of the game where I was really pissed off because of point 1, and Dariush in general. Mostly because he knew that dodging my questions really pisses me off, so I believe it was intentional.

[Andrew425]

I am back early so here's my role.

Link
(Auto) Hyrulian Shield: Any attack on you has a 25% chance of not affecting you
(Night) Fire Arrow: Shoot a fire arrow at a target, 50% anyone targeting that target is scared away.
(Night, 1 use) Triforce: Target player receives a mod PM telling them that you are town.

Actions:
N1: Fire arrow: Native Foreigner
N2: Fire arrow: Urist Imiknorris
N3: Fire arrow: Jim Groovester

Jim

Andrew425, why are you voting like lazy lurking scum? Is it because you're lazy lurking scum? Because it looks like you're lazy lurking scum.

I see a bunch of people have a problem with my vote. I voted Nuke for the same reason I voted him the day before. He seemed scummy and the miller roleclaim seemed too convenient to be true. I should have explained my intentions better when I voted him but I was busy and since their were three other people who had yet to vote I was fairly sure it wasn't going to be a deciding vote.

[Orangebottle]

There's something missing from your post. Something important.

Andrew:
I'd like you to answer

Spoiler: this question. (click to show/hide)

Andrew: And how/where did NUKE buddy Webadict?  I saw Webadict buddying NUKE D1, but not the other way around.  Also, NUKE seems awfully focused on one target (Dariush) for someone who is flailing around as you claim.  And on D2, he was very much focused on ECrownofFire.

Despite Jack's death, the question is still relevant.
And, oh, these:

I think Nuke is scum

Your nolynch mantra and your blowing up hasn't really been helping the town find scum.

Blowing up- what? What are you referring to, here?

yet you continue to cast around and strike at anyone you can, making excuses as to why you are still alive.

You disagree with my case on Dariush? You do not think he has been blatantly tunnelling me with no actual interest in whether or not I am scum?
Also, defending myself- what's wrong with that? I was almost-lynched yesterday. Should I just sit back and get actually-lynched today? Or should I take advantage of the extra information and extra time to prevent the town- and the scum- from lynching someone they really don't need to lynch?

If I don't see it soon, we're going to have a problem.

[Andrew425]

Nuke never distanced himself from Webadict. Webadict was buddying Nuke pretty hard and Nuke just let him so in my books that's buddying.


Blowing up- what? What are you referring to, here?

YOU IGNORANT, LAZY, PIECE OF SHIT. HOW FUCKING DARE YOU PAY SO LITTLE ATTENTION TO THE GAME.
YOUR PARENTS, OTHER CLOSE FAMILY, AND ANYONE YOU LIKE TO PRETEND IS YOUR FRIEND SHOULD BE ASHAMED JUST TO BE MENTIONED IN THE SAME SENTENCE AS YOU. YOU ARE A HORRIBLE PERSON; YOU ARE BAD AND SHOULD FEEL BAD. I WISH YOU NO LESS THAN SEVEN DAYS OF PURE, BACK TO BACK MISERY, CULMINATING IN GRIEVOUS BODILY HARM WHICH LEAVES SEVERAL PERMANENT INJURIES. I WOULD BE MORE SPECIFIC BUT I DON'T WANT TO EVEN IMAGINE YOUR REPULSIVE FORM IN MY MIND FOR LONG ENOUGH TO DEVISE A SUITABLE PUNISHMENT.

You disagree with my case on Dariush? You do not think he has been blatantly tunnelling me with no actual interest in whether or not I am scum?
Also, defending myself- what's wrong with that? I was almost-lynched yesterday. Should I just sit back and get actually-lynched today? Or should I take advantage of the extra information and extra time to prevent the town- and the scum- from lynching someone they really don't need to lynch?

I disagree that tunnelling made him inherently scummy. I thought that Nuke was acting scummier of the two of them.

[Jim Groovester]

I see a bunch of people have a problem with my vote. I voted Nuke for the same reason I voted him the day before. He seemed scummy and the miller roleclaim seemed too convenient to be true. I should have explained my intentions better when I voted him but I was busy and since their were three other people who had yet to vote I was fairly sure it wasn't going to be a deciding vote.

So you think you can skimp out on reasons just because you thought it wasn't the deciding vote? Why would you think that?

(Night, 1 use) Triforce: Target player receives a mod PM telling them that you are town.

You have an action that can instantly confirm you as town?

Right.

Why haven't you used it yet? Why didn't you use it on Day 1? Because if you had used it , people would be talking about how you were confirmed town, and since they're not, I can only assume that you haven't used it yet.

Hyrulian

This is misspelled.

Toaster's a dork like everyone else who plays mafia around here and I don't see him making a mistake like this. This isn't your role. Andrew425.

[Think0028]

Andrew: Can you confirm whether or not you received Powder's message? In addition, did you get messages about whether your ability succeeded or failed? If you don't know whether it succeeded or not, or if you did know, why haven't you told us about that yet?

MBP: When did you use your auto-remove ability?

[Mysteriousbluepuppet]

As i siad, i was thinking that Nuke was the Defcon guy, and that kind of power looked very much like an auto ( doubt he has to use it everyday, else his role is to spam is basically a powerless survivor waiting for day 5...) so i wanted to se if it could remove it. Apparently not, meanng he may not be Defcon, or it was not removable.

[Orangebottle]

Nuke never distanced himself from Webadict. Webadict was buddying Nuke pretty hard and Nuke just let him so in my books that's buddying.

-snip-

I disagree that tunnelling made him inherently scummy. I thought that Nuke was acting scummier of the two of them.

Why did you think NUKE was scummier than Dariush? How is letting someone buddy you equal to buddying them back? You missed a question. We now have a problem, Andrew. A huge problem. Your shit needs to be rectified. Care to fucking rectify it?

I see a bunch of people have a problem with my vote. I voted Nuke for the same reason I voted him the day before. He seemed scummy and the miller roleclaim seemed too convenient to be true. I should have explained my intentions better when I voted him but I was busy and since their were three other people who had yet to vote I was fairly sure it wasn't going to be a deciding vote.

The flaws in this are obvious. I didn't point them out before, because I thought everyone could plainly see them, but here they are:
-He seemed scummy.
This is vague. Too vague to justify a vote.
-the miller roleclaim seemed too convenient to be true.
He never roleclaimed miller. He roleclaimed survivor.
Let's go look at the original vote which has even more flaws.

I think Nuke is scum

While you may be a miller I think that you have been hurting the town more then helping it. Your nolynch mantra and your blowing up hasn't really been helping the town find scum. It seems to me that you're scum who almost got lynched after buddying with webadict, yet you continue to cast around and strike at anyone you can, making excuses as to why you are still alive.

-While you may be a miller
Again, the miller thing.
-nolynch mantra
That was day one. NUKE always fucks around on day one, then gets serious around day two.
-buddying with webadict
Webadict buddied NUKE, and ignoring buddying isn't buddying.
-continue to cast around and strike at anyone you can
Except NUKE was pretty focused on Dariush at the time.

I'm having a strange sense of deja vu.
Oh, wait. That's because Arathos said most, if not all of this before I did, and everyone is forgetting what he said.. I don't like that.
PPE:

As i siad, i was thinking that Nuke was the Defcon guy, and that kind of power looked very much like an auto ( doubt he has to use it everyday, else his role is to spam is basically a powerless survivor waiting for day 5...) so i wanted to se if it could remove it. Apparently not, meanng he may not be Defcon, or it was not removable.

What.
He may not be DEFCON?
His role is right there for everyone to see.
He's also dead, which makes it double-irrelevant.
You also didn't answer the question, although the answer's pretty goddamn obvious to anyone with half a brain.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

[Orangebottle]

EBWOP:

You disagree with my case on Dariush? You do not think he has been blatantly tunnelling me with no actual interest in whether or not I am scum?
Also, defending myself- what's wrong with that? I was almost-lynched yesterday. Should I just sit back and get actually-lynched today? Or should I take advantage of the extra information and extra time to prevent the town- and the scum- from lynching someone they really don't need to lynch?

[/quote]
The missed question in question.

[Toaster]

Vote Count:

Ottofar:
Powder Miner:
Think0028:
OrangeBottle:
Urist Imiknorris:
Mysteriousbluepuppet:
Andrew425: Jim Groovester, Think0028, OrangeBottle
Jim Groovester:

Not Voting:  Ottofar, Powder Miner, Urist Imiknorris, Mysteriousbluepuppet, Andrew425

Day 4 will last until Friday, 12/30 at 11 PM EST, ~10 hours from now.

[Andrew425]

Can you confirm whether or not you received Powder's message? In addition, did you get messages about whether your ability succeeded or failed? If you don't know whether it succeeded or not, or if you did know, why haven't you told us about that yet?

I got A message not sure if it was from powder. All it said was that I was being watched.  I haven't got any messages about whether I succeed or not.

This is misspelled.

Toaster's a dork like everyone else who plays mafia around here and I don't see him making a mistake like this. This isn't your role. Andrew425.

5. Never quote any PM from the mod.  You may give a general summary (for example, a roleclaim), but do not quote directly.

You have an action that can instantly confirm you as town?

Right.

Why haven't you used it yet? Why didn't you use it on Day 1? Because if you had used it , people would be talking about how you were confirmed town, and since they're not, I can only assume that you haven't used it yet.

Because their was no confirmed town to give it to. I was planning on giving it out later in the game when it would be actually useful instead of someone who is going to get nightkilled.

He never roleclaimed miller. He roleclaimed survivor.

I thought that miller and survivor were the same thing.

That was day one. NUKE always fucks around on day one, then gets serious around day two.

I've never played with Nuke before or read any of his games.

Also, defending myself- what's wrong with that? I was almost-lynched yesterday. Should I just sit back and get actually-lynched today? Or should I take advantage of the extra information and extra time to prevent the town- and the scum- from lynching someone they really don't need to lynch?

I think defending yourself is a great idea, but saying Ha! I roleclaimed you can't kill me, seems scummy to me.

MBP
I didn't read much into Nuke's comments before about you but I think their is some truth in them. Why are you so eager to bring up Defcon every chance you can get? Even when no one is talking about it?