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Re: Happy Reformation day
« Reply #15 on: November 01, 2011, 06:33:45 am »

Which is what I said.

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Re: Happy Reformation day
« Reply #16 on: November 01, 2011, 06:36:18 am »

I am disproportionately offended and saddened by this. It sounds alarmingly close to hating fun, or something.

Ehr.. You do realise having different customs does not equal hating fun? And that in an environment where trick-or-treating is not custom, it is the equivalent of going door-to-door begging for sweets, nay, trying to blackmail people into giving them candy?

A lot of people here in Sweden was hatin' very upset when Halloween made it's breakthrough in the 90's-something. Though that was mostly because the already existing All Saint's Day (which is what Halloween means, I know) is a national remember-your-dead sorrow-day and people did not want brats disturbing them at that time. Not so much the "door-to-door begging", though, we already did that for Easter (dressed up as witches) and Saint Lucia-day (well, it used to include "begging", anyway).
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Wait, what? Swedish kids go trick-or-treating as witches for Easter?
That's....kinda awesome. If you next tell me that Santa Claus's sleigh is pulled by eight rabbits and a drunk Irishman, I will officially dub Sweden the Land of Holiday Mashup.
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Re: Happy Reformation day
« Reply #17 on: November 01, 2011, 06:41:29 am »

Now St. Patrick's day is an event we get into. Pubs get magically filled with green clad fat middle aged men with bushy red beards. I'm serious, it is the most spectacular thing you have ever seen. I don't even know where they all come from, or where they go when it is over.

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Re: Happy Reformation day
« Reply #18 on: November 01, 2011, 06:47:52 am »

Isn't it true that in England it's been declared a type of vagrancy? I can't remember where I heard that.

Now St. Patrick's day is an event we get into. Pubs get magically filled with green clad fat middle aged men with bushy red beards. I'm serious, it is the most spectacular thing you have ever seen. I don't even know where they all come from, or where they go when it is over.

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Re: Happy Reformation day
« Reply #19 on: November 01, 2011, 06:52:05 am »

Wait, what? Swedish kids go trick-or-treating as witches for Easter?
That's....kinda awesome. If you next tell me that Santa Claus's sleigh is pulled by eight rabbits and a drunk Irishman, I will officially dub Sweden the Land of Holiday Mashup.

Well, it's more just "treating", but I guess there is an implied threat there when a group of witches show up at your door wanting goodies. ;D

And while our Christmas traditions are not quite that awesome, before our Christmasly present-giver became Jultomten/Santa Claus he was the Yule Goat and would not only give presents to the good kids but outright punish the bad ones. YuleGoat didn't afraid of anything.

Also, said Saint Lucia celebrations started out as a celebration of light in the wintery darkness, but for a time it was mostly just a day when young men and women could go around the villages and towns and demand that people serve them booze and give them gifts.
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Re: Happy Reformation day
« Reply #20 on: November 01, 2011, 07:30:24 am »

Wait, what? Swedish kids go trick-or-treating as witches for Easter?
That's....kinda awesome. If you next tell me that Santa Claus's sleigh is pulled by eight rabbits and a drunk Irishman, I will officially dub Sweden the Land of Holiday Mashup.

Well, it's more just "treating", but I guess there is an implied threat there when a group of witches show up at your door wanting goodies. ;D

And while our Christmas traditions are not quite that awesome, before our Christmasly present-giver became Jultomten/Santa Claus he was the Yule Goat and would not only give presents to the good kids but outright punish the bad ones. YuleGoat didn't afraid of anything.
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it was mostly just a day when young men and women could go around the villages and towns and demand that people serve them booze and give them gifts.
Over here, we call that "21st Birthday".  :P
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Re: Happy Reformation day
« Reply #21 on: November 01, 2011, 11:26:52 am »

Too bad Halloween isn't remembered for it's ancient celtic pagan roots. Then again, most if not all Christian holidays were ripped off of ancient pagan ones :o What is one to do.
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Re: Happy Reformation day
« Reply #22 on: November 01, 2011, 12:09:53 pm »

Ironic that this thread started a mere hour after I had left a (very!) late night at work (in this timezone), more or less in order that I avoid the whole business.  And get a lot of extra work done.  (Which I'm not sure I did, but I got some done, in-between procrasti...  Ooh shiny!)

Nothing against the kids doing anything (earlier in the evening, when I went out from work, temporarily, for some food) I saw some kids doing their thing, and some older lads either doing-what-they-normally-do or possibly going to do a no-costume version of trick-or-treat[1].  But in past years I've spent the evening in the house with the lights off listening to the radio, just to save the trouble of getting to the end of anything I'd bought[2] or saying "Whoops, forgot, sorry!" to anyone on my doorstep.

One year I went to a party.  As a ninja.  I'm sure there's something Freudian/Jungian about that, given I tend not to go to parties much and, when I do, generally stay in the metaphorical (or even actual) shadows.  Still, it got me out of the house.


Anyway, from the younger ones (the ones with accompanying parents, who often get into the spirit of things) at least try.  Beyond that (and actual themed parties/occasions, which you'd not really notice unless it were one of your neighbours' houses) it's perhaps a bit more like an annual Begging Sugary Things Day.


The same sort of age-dependant attention to detail also applies to the occasion Guy Fawkes one might find being exhibited in some convenient High Street doorway or shop frontage (location being dependant on the respective shop-staff's knowledge and/or permission).  I've seen brilliant ones, and some that were only obviously a Guy ('bundle of rags' being an overstatement) because there were requests for monetary donation.  I suppose that, these days, it's almost inevitable that all but the most impromptu creations are probably going to bear a V For Vendetta mask, but I've not seen any yet, at all, this year.


[1] No threats, but no effort.  Like sometimes you get with impromptu carol 'singers' who have the one song, and no more than a couple of verses of that.

[2] As I use to the years immediately following the first year in this house.  The very first year, I think I broke out a fresh pack of Pringles and some packets of mints, whatever else I could raid.
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Re: Happy Reformation day
« Reply #23 on: November 01, 2011, 12:32:06 pm »

Also, said Saint Lucia celebrations started out as a celebration of light in the wintery darkness, but for a time it was mostly just a day when young men and women could go around the villages and towns and demand that people serve them booze and give them gifts.
Doesn't the story go that she put a bunch of candles on her head to help guide people?
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Re: Happy Reformation day
« Reply #24 on: November 01, 2011, 12:57:09 pm »

Well then happy all saints day.
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Re: Happy Reformation day
« Reply #25 on: November 01, 2011, 12:58:36 pm »

Well then happy all saints day.
Yesterday. Today is All Souls' Day.
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Re: Happy Reformation day
« Reply #26 on: November 01, 2011, 01:02:52 pm »

Well then happy all saints day.
Yesterday. Today is All Souls' Day.
Hmm maybe, I thinnk its all saints days for us Lutherans, I maybe wrong
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Re: Happy Reformation day
« Reply #27 on: November 01, 2011, 01:04:15 pm »

Well then happy all saints day.
Yesterday. Today is All Souls' Day.
Hmm maybe, I thinnk its all saints days for us Lutherans, I maybe wrong

I didn't think it was. From what I understand, Lutherans and protestants have much the same dates, just with a few extra ones on top. Is it the first or the second of November where you are?
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Re: Happy Reformation day
« Reply #28 on: November 01, 2011, 01:05:54 pm »

Well then happy all saints day.
Yesterday. Today is All Souls' Day.
Hmm maybe, I thinnk its all saints days for us Lutherans, I maybe wrong

I didn't think it was. From what I understand, Lutherans and protestants have much the same dates, just with a few extra ones on top. Is it the first or the second of November where you are?
No its the first  :P
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Re: Happy Reformation day
« Reply #29 on: November 01, 2011, 01:08:04 pm »

Also, said Saint Lucia celebrations started out as a celebration of light in the wintery darkness, but for a time it was mostly just a day when young men and women could go around the villages and towns and demand that people serve them booze and give them gifts.
Doesn't the story go that she put a bunch of candles on her head to help guide people?

Yup, and there's also something about how the fire refused to burn her when she was, well, being burnt, or something like that. But in practice, it basically comes down to celebration of light, it's close to the darkest time of the year (remember, the sun hardly goes up in the north half during winter, not at all in the northermost, and just a few hours for the south), all the Swedish translations of the songs basically comes down to how people/Lucia prevails over the darkness, and there's the large amounts of candles being used as people went/goes around singing and "bringing light to people".


Well then happy all saints day.
Yesterday. Today is All Souls' Day.
Hmm maybe, I thinnk its all saints days for us Lutherans, I maybe wrong

It's a traveling holiday for me, falls on whatever sunday lies between the 31st Oct-6th Nov. So here, it was yesterday.
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