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[Angle]

So you want a reddit clone for bartering/charity work? And you think this would be viable? How exactly would this be policed? How would you protect the rights of these workers? Do you envision this as an online socialist movement?

To be honest some elements remind me of libertarianism, Which I'm sure a few of you would disagree with.

...reddit clone? I don;t see how that's a clone of reddit more than any other forum thing. Frankly, your entire post is kinda unnecessarily insulting. Of course he thinks it's viable, why would he post it otherwise? It would be policed by moderators and it's members, just like everything else. Those same methods would be used to protect the people who use it. As for the last question, I don't see how that effects it's viability.

And while many of us would disagree with libertariaism as a whole, I'm sure most of would agree with at least a few of it's principles. My objections to libertarianism pretty much boil down to the fact that while they argue against political power, they completely ignore the power of wealth, class, and social privilege, and feel not the slightest need to reign any of them in.

[SalmonGod]

Angle pretty well covered it...

I am an anarchist, but a leftist one.  Social libertarian is the closest thing to describing me.  I agree with what right-wing libertarians want (the ones that aren't insane racists and such, anyway).  I disagree with their methods.

I think that social hierarchy and centralization of resources is what poisons social behavior, and that there would be minimal need to police activity through a format that does nothing to inherently facilitate or encourage that.

What I described doesn't involve any element of accumulation of resources.  It doesn't even describe goods or services being exchanged.  While it could be used for such, it doesn't do anything to actually encourage things being done that way.

I also don't see any need to protect the rights of workers, when any services being offered would be 100% voluntary.

[Sergarr]

socialist movement
libertarianism

Did you just say that he is a socialist and a libertarian at the same time?

[alexandertnt]

socialist movement
libertarianism

Did you just say that he is a socialist and a libertarian at the same time?

Steeled diddn't say he was anything...

[Sergarr]

socialist movement
libertarianism

Did you just say that he is a socialist and a libertarian at the same time?

Steeled diddn't say he was anything...

It was incredibly offensive, aggressive and insulting, anyway.

[alexandertnt]

It was incredibly offensive, aggressive and insulting, anyway.

A bit perhaps, but not really all that much.

[Cheeetar]

social network system
alarm system for calls like "Somebody's dying.  Need help now."

Facebook for Dying People (trademark pending).

[Steeled]

(flaming removed)

[Angle]

...And that's rather disappointing. I was hoping we could have an interesting discussion, but apparently you'd rather throw around petty insults. *Sigh*

[Eagle_eye]

Angle pretty well covered it...

I am an anarchist, but a leftist one.  Social libertarian is the closest thing to describing me.  I agree with what right-wing libertarians want (the ones that aren't insane racists and such, anyway).  I disagree with their methods.

I think that social hierarchy and centralization of resources is what poisons social behavior, and that there would be minimal need to police activity through a format that does nothing to inherently facilitate or encourage that.

What I described doesn't involve any element of accumulation of resources.  It doesn't even describe goods or services being exchanged.  While it could be used for such, it doesn't do anything to actually encourage things being done that way.

I also don't see any need to protect the rights of workers, when any services being offered would be 100% voluntary.

I don't see how you could possibly reconcile only supporting voluntary interactions with being an anarchist, since it's sort of necessary to employ force to prevent people from forcing others into compliance. States didn't just appear out of the blue on day: they develop because people are able to get others to do what they want when it isn't in their best interests, whether by manipulation or coercion. Preventing that from happening again would require preventative, or at least retaliatory force.

[Angle]

I think the voluntary interactions is only in the context of the proposed platform, not as part of a broader societal reform. He might well like such a reform, but that's pretty clearly not what he was proposing right there.

[SalmonGod]

Angle hit it once again. 

My proposal was literally nothing but a tool to facilitate spontaneous organization, which can dynamically accommodate any project or scale.  Not sure why it has to be a government, too.

I can foresee some types of behavior that would need moderation.  There would be rules against stuff like instigating hate crimes, and that would be an immediate and obvious danger.

However, I cannot predict exactly what it would look like if such a thing became widely used to the point of superceding previous authorities, like you guys seem to be suggesting I need to address.  In a large scale context, I think it would be up to any given community to deal with any problems that may arise, or to seek help if they decide it's needed.  Just like it is today and always has been in principle.

[Duuvian]

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/asia-pacific/2014/06/mass-hong-kong-democracy-protest-looms-201463044139743879.html

From the article: The vote was organised by Occupy Central, behind the financial district shut-down plan, and comes at a time when many Hong Kong residents fear civil liberties are being stripped away.

I for one fully support their peaceful efforts. I do not wish to disrupt China's leadership but to strengthen it by giving it the support of Hong Kong's people because they seek to give it rather than being compelled to do so.

For being such a 'fizzled out' movement Occupy sure seems to be doing stuff. One wonders where Libertarians from the Tea Party are in this matter, as Chinese Democracy should be in their interest due to their dislike of authoritarian socialists communists.

In my opinion after the violent crackdown of their public protests in the States, most people interested in what Occupy stands for are simply waiting for a proper time to demonstrate peacefully once again in the streets of cities. Those of us in rural areas will offer what support we can, limited though it may be by our distance from urban areas where the main protests are. Until then, we can write. You have to remember, the Tea Party public gatherings have not been disrupted by police. Local laws have not been changed to enable authorities to prevent their protests. It's small wonder that Occupy, in the face of arrests, beatings and dispersal of their public protests was forced to change tactics which leads to people saying the Tea Party has 'outlasted' a similar but Liberal protest group. It will be only a matter of time until Occupy starts protesting again in different but still peaceful ways if there is not significant change in policies towards helping the less wealthy. Whether under the same name or under more focused organizations such as the movement to increase the minimum wage it remains to be seen what is most effective.