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Re: Occupying Wallstreet
« Reply #3480 on: July 24, 2012, 10:45:32 pm »
It's taken me months to finally catch up on this thread, but I've finally done it.

Now I'm watching.
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« Reply #3481 on: July 25, 2012, 02:57:17 am »
Those kind of laws, to be just, always have to be shaped such that arseholes can't sue the employer if they are rightfully fired,and also such that the employer can't just shift reason and fire a gay person anyway (with a fake reason).

That's nothing new, and it's not an argument against such laws. Even if it were, the right to not be fired just for who you are trumps any employer's rights you can come up with.
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« Reply #3482 on: July 25, 2012, 06:13:33 am »
So, courtesy of a lawsuit by one Jerome Vorus, it's now DC police policy to leave anyone filming with a mobile phone etc. completely the hell alone.

http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2012/07/dc-police-chief-announces-shockingly-reasonable-cell-camera-policy/?comments

Congrats guys, that's a major victory.  :D
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Re: Occupying Wallstreet
« Reply #3483 on: July 25, 2012, 06:49:35 am »
Quote from: Osmosis Jones on July 25, 2012, 06:13:33 am
So, courtesy of a lawsuit by one Jerome Vorus, it's now DC police policy to leave anyone filming with a mobile phone etc. completely the hell alone.

http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2012/07/dc-police-chief-announces-shockingly-reasonable-cell-camera-policy/?comments

Congrats guys, that's a major victory.  :D

So I should be safe to rob a few banks, so long as I film it?  Awesome :)
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Re: Occupying Wallstreet
« Reply #3484 on: July 25, 2012, 06:53:40 am »
Nope, they can stop you robbing banks, but they just can't stop you filming them doing it.
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« Reply #3485 on: July 25, 2012, 07:08:59 am »
I dunno, robbing banks isn't too big of a feat. I mean, you wouldn't really get too much from the tills, it gets moved offsite pretty regularly from what I've heard.

Personal privacy is still one of those things though. Like the thing about not stopping you recording police giving everyone a bit more comfort in being a little more protected from police operating outside of their legal bounds.
One of the things I don't like so much about all of this infringing upon privacy is that it still doesn't seem to provide a purpose in catching criminals. Like this documentary type thing about this guy. He got caught up in drugs, couldn't pay, armed robbery, you know the story. He then got arrested and broke out out the drug rehab centre. After that, despite being involved in a car crash followed by a police persuit including a [i[helicopter[/i], then a later hospitalisation following a gang beating him up for his car (and the event had a police investigation), it was only when his name and address showed up directly on insurance records showing him to have caused damage to someone else's car. That to me seems like the amount of information they have on you is largely redundant.

The video's here, but it's a long one, and the general summary up there is enough to make my point.
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« Reply #3486 on: July 25, 2012, 07:13:54 am »
Quote from: Graknorke on July 25, 2012, 07:08:59 am
I dunno, robbing banks isn't too big of a feat. I mean, you wouldn't really get too much from the tills, it gets moved offsite pretty regularly from what I've heard.
Yeah, not that great a rate of income for the risks.
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« Reply #3487 on: July 25, 2012, 09:47:18 am »
Bank robbery is incredibly profitable. As in, using a bank to rob people legally.
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« Reply #3488 on: July 25, 2012, 10:44:18 am »
Quote from: Nadaka on July 25, 2012, 09:47:18 am
Bank robbery is incredibly profitable. As in, using a bank to rob people legally.
Bro. Banks aren't robbers, if you've ever had someone threaten you with violence because you owe them money, then they're almost certainly not legal because, y'know, they robbed you.
No, banks just EXTORT people. Taking away their houses and whatnot.
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Re: Occupying Wallstreet
« Reply #3489 on: July 25, 2012, 10:46:13 am »
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« Reply #3490 on: July 25, 2012, 01:59:28 pm »
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« Reply #3491 on: July 25, 2012, 02:21:38 pm »
I was under the impression that entrapment was illegal. But I am not at all surprised that it is done anyway.
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« Reply #3492 on: July 25, 2012, 02:49:14 pm »
I was about to say it doesn't look like entrapment actual entrapment (more a horrible breach of privacy), then I read the linked article and... asking someone if they "need more" is clearly entrapment.  What the heck.
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Re: Occupying Wallstreet
« Reply #3493 on: July 25, 2012, 02:59:17 pm »
I wasn't aware that was outright illegal. Isn't that exactly the sort of thing they do to catch online child predators and the like?
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Re: Occupying Wallstreet
« Reply #3494 on: July 25, 2012, 03:01:35 pm »
Quote from: kaijyuu on July 25, 2012, 02:59:17 pm
I wasn't aware that was outright illegal. Isn't that exactly the sort of thing they do to catch online child predators and the like?

They are not allowed to solicit crimes. But they can play along with someone soliciting them for crimes.
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