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SalmonGod

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Re: Occupying Wallstreet
« Reply #1665 on: November 20, 2011, 03:59:04 pm »
On that note, here's an academic paper on the nature of protest policing over the last 10 years.  I haven't had the time to read it myself, but it looks very thorough.
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Re: Occupying Wallstreet
« Reply #1666 on: November 20, 2011, 04:01:46 pm »
Actually, no, it can't... probably because the Constitution defines the government...
THe actions by the NYPD are unconstitutional...
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Re: Occupying Wallstreet
« Reply #1667 on: November 20, 2011, 04:04:16 pm »
Quote from: Powder Miner on November 20, 2011, 04:01:46 pm
Actually, no, it can't... probably because the Constitution defines the government...
THe actions by the NYPD are unconstitutional...

Why don't you go tell them that?
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Quote from: Vector on October 06, 2011, 03:14:08 pm
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Re: Occupying Wallstreet
« Reply #1668 on: November 20, 2011, 04:06:01 pm »
...Sigh...
I'm 13, OK? ...I can't exactly tell them...
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Re: Occupying Wallstreet
« Reply #1669 on: November 20, 2011, 04:09:47 pm »
If age is a factor, well, that's indicative of some sort of problem already.
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Re: Occupying Wallstreet
« Reply #1670 on: November 20, 2011, 04:10:52 pm »
Yeah, you can still tell them. They probably wouldn't taze a polite kid. Probably.
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Re: Occupying Wallstreet
« Reply #1671 on: November 20, 2011, 04:10:59 pm »
Quote from: Powder Miner on November 20, 2011, 04:06:01 pm
...Sigh...
I'm 13, OK? ...I can't exactly tell them...

And people of all ages, including lawyers, former supreme court justices, veterans, and elderly survivors of early 20th century fascism in Europe HAVE told them... but those people aren't police chiefs, mayors, legislators, or billionaires.
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Re: Occupying Wallstreet
« Reply #1672 on: November 20, 2011, 04:13:06 pm »
Quote from: SalmonGod on November 20, 2011, 01:20:53 pm
All of the electronics seized in the recent Zucotti Park raid were destroyed, and movement techies were apparently held separately from other protesters after arrests.

That's actually pretty spooky.  What they're counting on is a solid combination of non-disclosure, preemptive excuse of "possible damage", and the hope that nobody who lost their stuff can afford to launch a class-action lawsuit against the entire New York city government, and get a court to hear a civil case over a few laptops.  The five grand in cash is worth mention too, but I have absolutely no doubt that the NYPD has page upon page of legislative backup to protect them from failing to protect confiscated property.

Somebody in there should call the ACLU, they're going to need a lot more firepower.
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Re: Occupying Wallstreet
« Reply #1673 on: November 20, 2011, 04:27:15 pm »
Quote from: SalmonGod on November 20, 2011, 04:10:59 pm
Quote from: Powder Miner on November 20, 2011, 04:06:01 pm
...Sigh...
I'm 13, OK? ...I can't exactly tell them...

And people of all ages, including lawyers, former supreme court justices, veterans, and elderly survivors of early 20th century fascism in Europe HAVE told them... but those people aren't police chiefs, mayors, legislators, or billionaires.

You know very well it's more complex than that....
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Re: Occupying Wallstreet
« Reply #1674 on: November 20, 2011, 04:31:17 pm »
Quote from: Truean on November 20, 2011, 04:27:15 pm
You know very well it's more complex than that....

In regards to who the police force is both loyal and accountable to, I don't.
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Re: Occupying Wallstreet
« Reply #1675 on: November 20, 2011, 04:35:09 pm »
So bear with me there,  the SOPA act will allow them to shut any site, and if thing get real nasty, the president can now shut down Internet.
You can be executed without warrant if you're accused of terrorism and can be held indefinitely without judgment.
All your communication can be listened, all ip traffic is sniffed to and the FBI routinely use GPS tracker without warrant.
And your military is now very experienced in counter insurrection.

Well I hope it's all coincidence, and just stupid authoritarian policies...
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Re: Occupying Wallstreet
« Reply #1676 on: November 20, 2011, 04:43:00 pm »
Quote from: SalmonGod on November 20, 2011, 04:10:59 pm
Quote from: Powder Miner on November 20, 2011, 04:06:01 pm
...Sigh...
I'm 13, OK? ...I can't exactly tell them...

And people of all ages, including lawyers, former supreme court justices, veterans, and elderly survivors of early 20th century fascism in Europe HAVE told them... but those people aren't police chiefs, mayors, legislators, or billionaires.

Imagine... http://www.gocomics.com/tomthedancingbug/2011/11/04
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« Reply #1677 on: November 20, 2011, 04:50:22 pm »
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And people of all ages, including lawyers, former supreme court justices, veterans, and elderly survivors of early 20th century fascism in Europe HAVE told them... but those people aren't police chiefs, mayors, legislators, or billionaires.

Now, to be fair, a couple billionaires have told them as well. They simply don't care.
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Re: Occupying Wallstreet
« Reply #1678 on: November 20, 2011, 04:51:48 pm »
Quote from: GlyphGryph on November 20, 2011, 04:50:22 pm
Now, to be fair, a couple billionaires have told them as well. They simply don't care.

Which ones?  Not that I don't believe you, I'm just curious.
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Quote from: Vector on October 06, 2011, 03:14:08 pm
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Re: Occupying Wallstreet
« Reply #1679 on: November 20, 2011, 05:10:42 pm »
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_general_election,_2011


So much for change and exploring other options in democracy. So much for the multitudinary protests against the abuses of the two major political parties. Apparently I was the only retard who actually meant it when he said it.

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