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« Reply #1020 on: October 26, 2011, 05:48:23 pm »

All that is well and good, but doesnt explain the interveiw given on channel 4 by a protestor who confirmed that "many people" (her words...) left at night.
Because many people do leave at night.

The tents are provided by the organisation as a whole. People sign into them each night if they are staying. But a large amount of protesters go home. Much the same way many go to work during the day. Some people are in poor health and can't stay overnight. And finally there simply isn't room for everyone. Estimates put daytime protests at around 1000 people while about 250 stay overnight. Using the accounts from the protesters, that's around 75% of the tents taken. They probably couldn't house more than 500 people at night without serious overcrowding or expansion. Which is hard because there isn't really much public land in London to occupy like this.

This is how longer term protests and occupations work. People come and go so that there is a constant presence. The occupiers have said they are planning so they could stay for months if possible and necessary. Not many people will be able to actually stay on site till Christmas, but for a well designed and maintained camp keeping a presence till then is entirely possible.

EDIT: That article reminded me of something;
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Last week, on Have I Got News For You, MP Louise Mensch asked why the occupiers, if they hated capitalism so much, bought coffee from Starbucks.
Well, for one thing they needed access to some sort of hygiene facilities. Under UK law they were only required to be provided with portable toilets when the police kettled them, and those were taken away later. Then there were problems once they secured new ones thanks to St Paul's utterly inconsistent stance on health and safety. During the day they make do with public facilities in the area, including those at local businesses.
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« Reply #1021 on: October 26, 2011, 05:53:29 pm »

http://www.npr.org/2011/10/26/141733471/are-crackdowns-a-turning-point-for-occupy-protests

This has the image of the people dragging away the unconscious person.  Note the girl in the orange-ish sweater and the swirly red/black cap in both the video and the picture.

Commendable action from these people.

EDIT: Also, hilarious how just about everyone has one of them fancy phones out.
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« Reply #1022 on: October 26, 2011, 06:00:09 pm »

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« Reply #1023 on: October 26, 2011, 07:52:34 pm »

That's an actual comic, isn't it. I swear I've read it before, in hard copy.
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« Reply #1024 on: October 26, 2011, 09:21:39 pm »

Word is getting passed around that protesters have taken back the park in Oakland.
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« Reply #1025 on: October 26, 2011, 09:22:29 pm »

Word is getting passed around that protesters have taken back the park in Oakland.
The way information is being passed around reminds me of some kind of underground rebellion.

Viva la resistance?
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« Reply #1026 on: October 26, 2011, 09:24:16 pm »

Traditional news outlets just can't match the pace of regular people on twitter.  So that's how things are happening now.
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« Reply #1027 on: October 26, 2011, 09:24:49 pm »

We've reached tweetical mass.
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« Reply #1028 on: October 26, 2011, 09:28:42 pm »

Traditional news outlets just can't match the pace of regular people on twitter.  So that's how things are happening now.
I can't believe I'm saying this, but I guess Twitter is a good thing after all.
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« Reply #1029 on: October 26, 2011, 09:35:09 pm »

Social media is, in general.  Very useful.  Bored extroverts just give it a bad name.  What I'm actually looking at is people posting and re-posting a link to a twitter post on a Google+ stream.  So it's all an informally conglomerated network of information shooting back and forth between different vendors in almost real-time.  I think it's pretty neat.


Rumors of National Guard incoming to Oakland...  Someone mentioned this in relation to the rumor.  Anyone know if it's true?

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So - in case anyone isn't aware of the National Guards history ... it was created to deal with Labor protests as the government didn't want to use the military in civil issues ... yeah ... there's a rather bloody history when the National Guard is brought into protests
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« Reply #1030 on: October 26, 2011, 10:53:45 pm »

To lighten the mood slightly, I give you this 99% tale of woe.

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But seriously, this happens to people everyday.
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« Reply #1031 on: October 26, 2011, 10:58:34 pm »

Rumors of National Guard incoming to Oakland...  Someone mentioned this in relation to the rumor.  Anyone know if it's true?

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So - in case anyone isn't aware of the National Guards history ... it was created to deal with Labor protests as the government didn't want to use the military in civil issues ... yeah ... there's a rather bloody history when the National Guard is brought into protests
That's federal intervention, so I doubt it's true. But if it is, things are about to get very messy, and Obama's approval rating is about to break Bush Jr.'s lower record.
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« Reply #1032 on: October 26, 2011, 11:03:06 pm »

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« Reply #1033 on: October 26, 2011, 11:07:00 pm »

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So - in case anyone isn't aware of the National Guards history ... it was created to deal with Labor protests as the government didn't want to use the military in civil issues ... yeah ... there's a rather bloody history when the National Guard is brought into protests

Uhh... wrong. The National Guard originated from the colonial government-sponsored militias in and around the Massachusetts Bay colony, created in the 1640s to defend against the Native Americans. They predate the U.S. government and the concept of labor unions entirely.

Won't deny that shit tends to hit fans when they are brought in to quell protestors, but their history is far less sinister than this person claims.
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« Reply #1034 on: October 26, 2011, 11:13:18 pm »

I have to say that "be an instrument to genocide" is slightly worse than "curb labor unions."
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