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Sergius

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Re: Discussion on TES V: Skyrim - IT'S ACTUALLY GOOD!
« Reply #1170 on: November 15, 2011, 09:56:23 am »

Anyway, so I'm playing the main plot,

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RE: UI
The only things I really really hate about the UI, is the time it takes for the transitions, and the messed up mouse hover. Yeah I know fades are cool but when you open your inventory for the 50th time in the same minute, it gets really annoying.

The mouse hover: this is definitely broken. You know, when you Console, you scroll the menu up and down and the middle option is highlighted, so you press E or Enter and it becomes active. BUT, when you use the mouse, you highlight another option in the menu. It doesn't become the middle option, but the keys still scroll up and down, and the highlighted menu position stays the same where you last left it with the mouse! And sometimes you hover a different option with the mouse, but the original option is STILL highlighted, so when you click, THAT option gets selected, instead of the one you highlighted with the mouse. Specially annoying with conversations: sometimes you don't get a second chance, and it means you refused the quest or whatever, and must reload.

Then during inventory, same problem as before. But worse, because sometimes clicking on a different category with the mouse simply CLOSES the menu for no obvious reason.

Right now, my only workaround is to use the keyboard only in menus, and if I see the highlight get decentered I hover with my mouse until it's fixed, then move the mouse away and keep working the arrow keys. Very broken.

I don't actually hate the UI (except for the SLOOOW fade nonsense and the brokenness), I actually hated Morrowind's interface: tries to be like Microsoft Windows but fails miserably - hotspots are too small, the windows weren't very responsive - it felt like I was using an old Commodore Amiga workbench. I don't mind taking advantage of mouse and menus and window handles but I think it has to be done well. And there's some hotkeys now, so I is actually your inventory and M is map.

In some ways, Oblivion's UI was more responsive than this though.
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Re: Discussion on TES V: Skyrim - IT'S ACTUALLY GOOD!
« Reply #1171 on: November 15, 2011, 10:07:38 am »

I prefer this one to oblivions UI though. It is a lot easier to find a certain item in your inventory.
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« Reply #1172 on: November 15, 2011, 10:10:44 am »

I think I'd prefer this one to Oblivion's UI just based on aesthetics. But what's pissing me off about is the inconsistency in operations that Sergius pointed out. The mouse will move menus around, but not the selection. You can be on your quest menu and the "big" quest that signals which one the game is centered on is actually NOT the one its displaying to you. It's displaying the one that the non-mouse cursor is sitting on. It also bites me in the ass frequently during conversations, when I'll try to use the scroll wheel to change the dialogue selection, and it will scroll the menu to focus on the one I want, but leave the old one selected. All I can is, thank GOD you can press "Interact" to skip through the dialog trees.

Basically, there's the true, invisible game cursor, and then there's the PC mouse cursor, which tries to replicate everything the true game cursor does but fails to, gets ignored, or gets preempted by the true game cursor.

If that's not a metaphor for the PC vs. Console debate, I don't know what is.
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« Reply #1173 on: November 15, 2011, 10:11:03 am »

Oh look, I've been playing Skyrim all day and now it's 1AM and I have work tomorrow...
Whoops.

Well, it was late so I was just messing around on one of my surplus characters. Basically I just ran off in completely the opposite dirtection of everything I'd explored before, and laid a greatsword-flavoured beating on anything that looked at me funny. :D
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« Reply #1174 on: November 15, 2011, 10:25:36 am »

I prefer this one to oblivions UI though. It is a lot easier to find a certain item in your inventory.

Yeah that's why I said responsiveness. When you Console, it works, when you Mouse, it works. It may not be pretty, or efficient, but at least it works.

Skyrim's one has potential but the execution is poor.

Also, they should have categories in containers, dammit!

EDIT: Give you another example: you're looting (a corpse, or box or whatever). R key means "take all". But your mouse appeared on the left so it accidentally highlighted one of the other categories in YOUR inventory. So you press R. The game interprets it as "store", since R is "store/give" in your inventory. But you are LOOKING at the container, so the game looks at what you have highlighted (example: Iron Dagger). It thinks you want to drop an iron dagger, so if you have one, it actually gets removed from your possessions and added to the container.
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« Reply #1175 on: November 15, 2011, 10:37:26 am »

Did anyone ever see this trailer???
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=znj_r4YNbqE
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Re: Discussion on TES V: Skyrim - IT'S ACTUALLY GOOD!
« Reply #1176 on: November 15, 2011, 10:41:20 am »

Heh
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« Reply #1177 on: November 15, 2011, 10:41:47 am »

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« Reply #1178 on: November 15, 2011, 10:43:19 am »

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Re: Discussion on TES V: Skyrim - IT'S ACTUALLY GOOD!
« Reply #1179 on: November 15, 2011, 10:44:47 am »

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« Reply #1180 on: November 15, 2011, 10:53:05 am »

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Re: Discussion on TES V: Skyrim - IT'S ACTUALLY GOOD!
« Reply #1181 on: November 15, 2011, 10:59:48 am »

@UI stuff
I don't have a problem with the mouse because it is just too sloooooow to use in the menus.
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« Reply #1182 on: November 15, 2011, 11:12:43 am »

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« Reply #1183 on: November 15, 2011, 11:16:49 am »

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« Reply #1184 on: November 15, 2011, 11:27:51 am »

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