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[ashton1993]

Hmm... separating the nobility and those who trade as a hard rule sounds rather arbitrary to me, especially when one considers independents or adventurer's who are stuck in the middle, although if this was in place I think you could establish it by having those in charge of Elbreth and/or other countries, in order to gain land or control an army a merchant would have to seek somebody that would allow it. That way the freeform element of the game would remain intact but trader's could still be limited.

[thatkid]

If you want to do mine I'm just attempting to establish the first town for Corv in the Weylands and I'm using 2 of the regiments to do it.

Got it, boss.

Ashton: The IG-reasoning is that no character is really capable of managing all that on their own, even with the help of a number of stewards and workers in the business sector. It's just too unwieldy.
I will agree that this dichotomy, combined with specialist rules, does kind of make for a "class" system consisting of Ruler, Noble, Merchant, Adventurer, and Spy.

[filiusenox]

That is not the EMIA's plan. Any attempt to say that is the EMIA's plan will result in a long and drawn out death.

But really, I can see Kain pulling a plan like that or turning Elberth into russia.

LONG LIVE THE WORKING MAN!!!!
I have got to go make a few propaganda posters...

Kain is drinking alot more then he used to, now that he is the minister of internal affairs.

[ashton1993]

If you want to do mine I'm just attempting to establish the first town for Corv in the Weylands and I'm using 2 of the regiments to do it.

Got it, boss.

Ashton: The IG-reasoning is that no character is really capable of managing all that on their own, even with the help of a number of stewards and workers in the business sector. It's just too unwieldy.
I will agree that this dichotomy, combined with specialist rules, does kind of make for a "class" system consisting of Ruler, Noble, Merchant, Adventurer, and Spy.

So how will this work in-game once a character's become too specialized can they no longer change in some circumstances? I mean for example if a merchant establishes a wealthy guild and then wants to create an independent state would they be allowed to profit from it? Would they have to create a new character? How does it all play out and still be fair? I mean in the situation we have at the moment it works magically, just might be a wee bit of a problem when something like that arises.

[thatkid]

If you want to do mine I'm just attempting to establish the first town for Corv in the Weylands and I'm using 2 of the regiments to do it.

Got it, boss.

Ashton: The IG-reasoning is that no character is really capable of managing all that on their own, even with the help of a number of stewards and workers in the business sector. It's just too unwieldy.
I will agree that this dichotomy, combined with specialist rules, does kind of make for a "class" system consisting of Ruler, Noble, Merchant, Adventurer, and Spy.

So how will this work in-game once a character's become too specialized can they no longer change in some circumstances? I mean for example if a merchant establishes a wealthy guild and then wants to create an independent state would they be allowed to profit from it? Would they have to create a new character? How does it all play out and still be fair? I mean in the situation we have at the moment it works magically, just might be a wee bit of a problem when something like that arises.

I'm not Iituem, I don't know. But this is a valid problem, yes, and I think feudalism is the answer. The merchant might technically /own/ the land of his established independent state, but his vassals are the ones managing it (and those vassals will not be merchants).

[filiusenox]

What does Erik look like?

[thatkid]

It's been established that he has red hair and blue eyes, so he's probably fair-skinned. He's on the tall-side, and he's athletic but not muscular. I think a few people have said OOCly that he's handsome, and while I originally had him as "average" I guess I'll make that canon now.

[Taricus]

I remember that arguement

That was more fun poking than anything else though.

[filiusenox]

So is the pennent and cheif colors of Elberth, red and blue?

[CyberGenesis]

*SNIP*
I'm not Iituem, I don't know. But this is a valid problem, yes, and I think feudalism is the answer. The merchant might technically /own/ the land of his established independent state, but his vassals are the ones managing it (and those vassals will not be merchants).

No, im pretty sure i saw it somewhere that its actually specifically in the rules that you can A) own land, or B) Own a business

[ashton1993]

*SNIP*
I'm not Iituem, I don't know. But this is a valid problem, yes, and I think feudalism is the answer. The merchant might technically /own/ the land of his established independent state, but his vassals are the ones managing it (and those vassals will not be merchants).

No, im pretty sure i saw it somewhere that its actually specifically in the rules that you can A) own land, or B) Own a business

I didn't ask for a rule clarification, I asked for what would happen if somebody changed they're mind once they either own a big business or lots of land, would they have to create a new character or whatever... ye get zee idea.

[vagel7]

Can we buy ourselves into nobility, like they did in say the 17th or 18th century?

If so i think I should have a roll once a year cause my family is filthy rich.

[Ardas]

I believe that the things as they are right now are sufficient and prevent overt powergaming. I mean, if my business allowed me to buy a county I would, but that kinda defeats the purpose of the RP element of the entire thing. I think gaining influence with the king or a prince and steering them is much more fun and lets you keep you business while others take care of the grunt work.

[vagel7]

Hmm, I shall then kill Granny Mistaris and earn myself nobility for removing the ringleader of the Elberthian crime ring.

[filiusenox]

Kain is also going to get knighted and get an actaul salary after this.