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Re: A Hypothetical...
« Reply #30 on: August 05, 2011, 06:17:39 pm »

I was going to assume it WAS going to be a murder of passion (or someone just having a mental breakdown). And yeah, Leafsnal managed to beat me on the whole redundancy aspect that the mission seems to be accounting for.

Yeah, six months with a personal closet, shared toilets, and 90% of you either studying or doing nothing at all? SOMEBODY's gonna die.

You might be amazed how low the murder rate is among boomer submarine crewmen.  (Hint: it's zero.)

But yeah, this sounds like an incredibly unpredictable and loose way to get unskilled crewmen for a job that requires incredible skill.  I might do it if I knew I could get the Rover Driver position (twister? no, donuts).

SpaceX... it's founder is also the co-founder of PayPal... You may take that into account what a corporation it may be like.

This does not fill me with confidence.
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« Reply #31 on: August 05, 2011, 06:20:07 pm »

Actually. Nasa has a position for very smart or bright people that couldn't take the stress of going into space (Or in a more cynical way, too smart and educated to risk getting killed by accidents). They call them Ground and Mission control.

The cynical way makes no sense. Even a smart and educated person who spends their life studying outer space would jump at the opportunity to spend time in orbit. It's like saying people in the air control tower are too smart and educated to risk flying an aircraft.
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« Reply #32 on: August 05, 2011, 06:29:08 pm »

SpaceX... it's founder is also the co-founder of PayPal... You may take that into account what a corporation it may be like.

This does not fill me with confidence.

Elon Musk actually sold PayPal to fund his space adventure business.
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« Reply #33 on: August 05, 2011, 06:29:40 pm »

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« Reply #34 on: August 05, 2011, 07:14:21 pm »

Out of curiosity, I check several major private corporations that tried to launch space flight, and their founders. I get some interesting results. They basically divided into 2 groups, 1 group like SpaceX/Musk are young .com billionaires and founds those companies out of their passions as probably their childhood dreams (Geeks like us ::)). And the other group are actual NASA or other countries' engineers who previous working as airplane or already in rocket building businesses (mostly outside U.S.). And the more interesting thing is that its the amateurs beat the professionals in actual working system and designs. (They probably understand more about how to run businesses properly and hire experts with better salaries)


Examples like :

Blue Origin / Jeff Bezos : founder of Amazon.com

Armadillo Aerospace / John D. Carmack : designer of Doom, Quake. (yes, those games)


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Bigelow Aerospace / Robert Bigelow : Don't laugh at his name. He owns Hotel chains, and not surprised he is the one who wants to open hotel in space.

Excalibur Almaz / Arthur M. Dula : lawyer! :o. (He is the literary executor for major science fiction author Robert A. Heinlein, this explains a lot.), and he works with real astronaut - Leroy Chiao.


Others :

Scaled Composites / Burt Rutan : He is legit, modifying his aerospace aircraft design into spacecraft. Probably the most successful of the real professionals. (Working as flight test project engineer for the U.S. Air Force)

Canadian Arrow / Geoff Sheerin, Dan McKibbon and Chris Corke, Dr. Chirinjeev Kathuria : Oh! the Canadian. :P
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« Reply #35 on: August 05, 2011, 07:41:55 pm »

- The trip takes six months, during which time your training continues. The life-support ready areas of the vessel will be very cramped. There will most likely be one murder, two accidental deaths, and the estimated likelihood of cataclysmic failure during flight is 0.05%.
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« Reply #36 on: August 05, 2011, 08:06:42 pm »

If I really wanted to go to Mars, I'd think I'd prefer studying here on Earth for a PhD in some science domain that is needed there, and THEN try to get a job that requires me to be sent to Mars. Not only would that mean I can study at my leisure instead of having to get a crash-course in advanced-whatever-mechanics, but that also means I could be an actual scientist over there instead of some low-ranking, disposable assistant (with all the better pay, better social status, and better amenities that comes with that). Also, the kinks in the process of sending people to Mars should have been ironed out by the time I'm ready to go, thus increasing my chances of survival.

Though all in all, I think others have a point: Hypothetically, I, as a squishy scientist, would rather remain in Mission Control, where it is safe, comfortable, and well-paying, while sending disposable low-level technicians to do the dirty and dangerous work on-location.
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Re: A Hypothetical...
« Reply #37 on: August 05, 2011, 08:52:13 pm »

Well, you have fun back there on Earth. Meanwhile, I shall be expanding my political base to become President of Mars.
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« Reply #38 on: August 05, 2011, 09:27:29 pm »

Well, you have fun back their on Earth. Meanwhile, I shall be expanding my political base to become President of Mars.

of 30 people ::)
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« Reply #39 on: August 05, 2011, 09:31:14 pm »

Well, you have fun back there on Earth. Meanwhile, I shall be expanding my political base to become President of Mars.

of 30 people ::)
Think in the long term here. If I can ensure my administration is beloved, it is only a matter of time before I have an entire planet of loving supporters.
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« Reply #40 on: August 05, 2011, 09:39:50 pm »

Well, you have fun back there on Earth. Meanwhile, I shall be expanding my political base to become President of Mars.

of 30 people ::)
Think in the long term here. If I can ensure my administration is beloved, it is only a matter of time before I have an entire planet of loving supporters.

Long-lived the president ;D. (Probably needing some major body parts replacement lasting hundreds of year)
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« Reply #41 on: August 05, 2011, 09:46:36 pm »

Obviously, but this is the future we're talking about here. By 2050 an average computer will easily have the processing power to emulate a human mind and still have plenty of memory left over. I imagine I could take a trip back to Earth to be uploaded by then.

Although, I do fully intend to get cybernetic replacements for anything and everything as my real body parts wear out and the replacements meet/exceed human capabilities, seeing as I will probably not actually be going to go to Mars.
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« Reply #42 on: August 05, 2011, 09:48:13 pm »

President of mars? The original post sets this up as a business venture of sorts. No one is going to be president since mars wont be a state or country, it's likely to be sectioned off for mining and other such things.
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« Reply #43 on: August 05, 2011, 09:56:31 pm »

It's not exactly like they can stop me. I'm a planet away. If they threaten to cut off supplies I'll just counter-threaten to use the colony radio to tell everyone on Earth that they're trying to leave us to die.
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« Reply #44 on: August 05, 2011, 10:00:05 pm »

It's not exactly like they can stop me. I'm a planet away. If they threaten to cut off supplies I'll just counter-threaten to use the colony radio to tell everyone on Earth that they're trying to leave us to die.

It's probably more convenient (and cheap) for a private corporation to send assassins. 8) Ya, space ninja.
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