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A Hypothetical...
« on: August 05, 2011, 04:37:13 pm »

A space agency is looking for volunteers for a manned mission to mars, with the intention of research, mining, and manufacturing making use of the unique martian resources. Before you answer, consider these points:

- The launch is two years away from now, or if you are less than 20, your 20th birthday. You must be 20 or above to apply.

- At all points, only equipment that could be bought or built today will be used.

- Volunteering requires a $500 screening fee (non-refundable).

- There will be a physical and psychological examination of all volunteers over the next three months. This will be to screen out the dangerously unhealthy personnel; morbid obesity, infectious disease, suicidal behavior, homicidal behavior... This will only screen out the most fatal flaws.

- Following the screening, you will be charged a several-thousand dollar training fee that may be mitigated, waived, or delayed if you show promise or have unique skills. Most volunteers will not be in the first mission even if accepted; they will be a part of the second or third mission.

- If accepted, you will be taken to a training facility (they are globally positioned; two in North America, three in Europe, one in Japan (also serves Australia and Oceania), three in mainland Asia, one in South America) where you will be given grueling physical and metal training.

- The first three months of this are somewhat similar to boot camp or basic training, with the addition of training on the general equipment you will be using; environment suits, basic living quarters equipment, and so on. Though the work is hard, you may spend your limited free time off-base.

- After basic training is complete, all volunteers that pass a second round of examinations will graduate to specialist training; although expert positions (space piloting for instance) are already filled with professional astronauts, unskilled, semi-skilled, and entry-level positions are available. Such positions as maintenance, basic manufacturing work much like a blue-collar job on earth, or possibly something as exotic as surface vehicle piloting or orbital operations/maintenance, the two jobs most likely to get you outside of the base or ship. Finally, there will be "technician" positions that basically put you at the beck and call of professionals as assistants to engineers, scientists, and administrative staff, and in nursing, security, and low-level engineering and construction tasks.

- Your specialty will be chosen considering your own preference, your previous experience, your aptitudes in basic training, and to a significant degree, the needs of the mission. There is a significant probability your first choice is not available; there are only three space jiggalos budgeted.

- Specialist training continues for 16-17 months and is split with further orbital, flight, and martian surface training. It is spent in partial quarantine to decrease the spread of disease. During this time, some specialties will be sent to different training centers; IT techs for instance might all study at the Huston training center, while mining techs are at the Chile facility. There is little free time and contact with non-mission people will be limited.

- The final two months are spent in launch and flight practice in simulators, putting training on hold. At this point, your basic training is mostly complete, and you start receiving a salary for your position. It is somewhat higher than the salary for similar, earthbound work.

- Starting at the launch day, personnel will be shuttled to the martian transit vessel, volunteers first. This takes several days to launch all personnel.

- The trip to Mars is aboard a single, large, ugly and streamlined vessel similar in appearance to the ISS with engines.

- The trip takes six months, during which time your training continues. The life-support ready areas of the vessel will be very cramped. There will most likely be one murder, two accidental deaths, and the estimated likelihood of cataclysmic failure during flight is 0.05%.

- On arrival, the crew will be ferried down and the first temporary shelters erected. A portion of the crew remains on the ship to maintain it. Work begins immediately to construct a permanent facility there, start research, and prepare materials to ship back to earth- possibly H3, possibly other materials.

- Personnel and goods start being shipped back after 18 months; mission 2 personnel arrive six months after that. Some volunteers will be promoted to positions previously held by professional astronauts. Every two years, the previous mission heads home while the new one heads out.

So then; With all that, what do you think? Would you volunteer?
« Last Edit: August 05, 2011, 06:03:54 pm by PTTG?? »
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« Reply #1 on: August 05, 2011, 04:46:35 pm »

I wouldn't.
I require glasses, I'm incredibly skinny and I get winded easily, and I am otherwise physically weak. All I'd get would be something like basic maintenance. I'm not going to pay 1500$ or more to work in a garage, I can do that already and actually make a buck doing it.
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« Reply #2 on: August 05, 2011, 04:48:43 pm »

I wouldn't.  Not even including the fact that I probably wouldn't qualify in terms of the physical/psych exams, I also don't think I'd enjoy it much past the first few days of "ooooh, space!".

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« Reply #3 on: August 05, 2011, 04:50:32 pm »

The cost for "Volenterring" here is absurd. No one in their right mind would pay that much to do work.

Even without the cost I wouldn't. I'd likely fail the psychological exam because I'm a paranoid schizophrenic. Not to mention my heart issues and one functional eye.
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« Reply #4 on: August 05, 2011, 04:56:42 pm »

In a heartbeat. Beats pretty much anything else I could be doing with my life, at least I'd get to feel like I was part of something that actually mattered in some small way.

And the creditors can't find me on Mars, so I'd probably charge all of those fees to credit card. Hah! Take that, creditors!

(And my student loan companies wouldn't exactly have a lot of pull either! So net gain, yah?)
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« Reply #5 on: August 05, 2011, 04:58:37 pm »

And the creditors can't find me on Mars, so I'd probably charge all of those fees to credit card. Hah! Take that, creditors!

(And my student loan companies wouldn't exactly have a lot of pull either! So net gain, yah?)

Lol, good point.  :D  Maybe there is an advantage to space after all!
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« Reply #6 on: August 05, 2011, 04:58:51 pm »

And the creditors can't find me on Mars, so I'd probably charge all of those fees to credit card. Hah! Take that, creditors!

(And my student loan companies wouldn't exactly have a lot of pull either! So net gain, yah?)

I'm pretty sure both would be disqualifying factors if the business doing this is in any way competent.
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« Reply #7 on: August 05, 2011, 05:00:20 pm »

If the business doing this was in any way competent, they'd pay their volunteers a stipend that would cover those fees soon enough (or not require the fees at all), attracting a better crop of volunteers, since they clearly have enough money to do all that space launching. So I think we can rule that bit out. Also, what would they care? They'd still get their money.
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« Reply #8 on: August 05, 2011, 05:04:04 pm »

The amount of money they want you to invest into this is absurd and unrealistic, but otherwise I would most certainly apply. Sure, it would be tough as hell, but challenge in life is what makes people get up every day.

Plus, I get to go to Mars. I'm not passing up getting to go to Mars for anything.
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« Reply #9 on: August 05, 2011, 05:10:30 pm »

Nope.

a. I am a squishy mathematician.  No boot camp for me.
b. My brain chemistry is so fundamentally unstable that if they caught me on a good day and I passed the psych exam, I'd disqualify myself for it anyway.
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« Reply #10 on: August 05, 2011, 05:13:07 pm »

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Sure, it would be tough as hell, but challenge in life is what makes people get up every day.
To be honest, this is maybe the biggest reason I'd do it. The sole reason I didn't end up joining the army was my moral opposition to the military-industrial complex.

This would have none of those concerns.
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« Reply #11 on: August 05, 2011, 05:14:35 pm »

I was just thinking about the costs you'd have to pay and...
doesn't this sound like a scam to anybody? I mean, until you actually see the facilities in question you have no way of knowing that they didn't just make you pay 500$ to take some pointless test and then later get a rejection letter.
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Re: A Hypothetical...
« Reply #12 on: August 05, 2011, 05:15:42 pm »

Since I guess I glossed over it, all expenses are paid once training starts, and if you are accepted you do get a salary. It would be higher than similar earthbound pay.

Squishy math peoples: the physical can be waived.

We can assume that it is not a scam. It's a huge news story, you know it's real.
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« Reply #13 on: August 05, 2011, 05:19:00 pm »

Squishy math peoples: the physical can be waived.

What? No. It can't. You're GOING INTO FUCKING SPACE. If you can't take the figurative heat you don't belong in their kitchen.
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« Reply #14 on: August 05, 2011, 05:26:15 pm »

Well, when you get down to it, there's the takeoff, which is a couple Gs, then six weeks in 0G, which is not exactly strenuous, and then 1/3G for a few months. All things considered, if it gets you a pretty smart mathematician, it's worth the slight extra risk. After all, you'd have to survive boot camp before the launch anyway, and that'll toughen anyone up.
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