If homosexuality is not inherently unwholesome to humans, please explain to me why it is that people avoid participating in the behavior? If people are neutral toward it, then why would they nor participate in it in approximately the same frequency as masturbating?
Can you please explain to me why people avoid having physical relationships with people they don't find physically attractive? People are fairly neutral to that, but I don't see such relationships nearly at the same frequency as masturbation.
I couldn't cite the precise socialogical and psychological cause behind that, but the cause of both behaviors are the same.
And yet, all around the world, for the vast majority of people, homosexual relations simply are not acceptable TO THEM PERSONALLY. And while all of you are loathe to admit to it, me and everyone else who are not sold out to the idea that homosexuality is the best thing ever, and a civil right, and that there just must be something intrinsically wrong with anyone who disagrees with that attitude, know in our own experience that even to see the behavior is to be at least mildly sickened.
I've actually said this before, fairly recently in the thread. If it stopped at being mildly sickened, stopped at a lack of personal attraction, stopped
before people started stripping freedoms from homosexual individuals and started treated them like second class citizens, there would be basically no issue. If peoples reactions toward homosexuals and homosexual relationships was equivalent to their reactions toward people they didn't find personally attractive and relationships between such people, there wouldn't really be a problem. It doesn't stop there. Thus the problem.
Would you be comfortable in accepting that guided persecution on a social and legal level based
strictly on personal dislike is something we should abhor?
I do not feel you are being honest. I also feel most of you are deeply motivated by anger and hatred. I feel that because of the way I am repeatedly treated when having this discussion with people deeply committed to the cause of gay rights.
I'd give you anger, actually, because there tends to be that involved as a motivation. It's understandable that people become angry (To wit, righteous anger) when they see cruelty, intolerance, persecution, etc., over something that does little to no harm (In today's world, homosexual acts are no more medically dangerous than heterosexual ones, when performed with the appropriate considerations). Unfounded -- or, if you'd prefer, insufficiently founded -- persecution does, in fact, piss me off a little. That in this particular case it's done in a way that, to me, perverts the teachings of one of the great people of human history doesn't help.
But the hatred I've seen is only hatred of hatred, not of something else. I've very rarely seen strong support for social and legal persecution of people who are against homosexual rights that even remotely approach the level of support coming from said people for social and legal persecution against homosexuals.
I also see in history, and have made mention of aspects of it to you without any real response from any of you to the contrary, that there is an anti-religious undercurrent in recent western society that has no good basis in fact, has been repeatedly debunked in terms of people, even if they abandon Christianity, typically going back to some neo-pagan or "new age" religious views rather than becoming good atheists as Enlightenment era philosophers thought would happen.
In other words, people experience life spiritually (I think most likely due to the experience of being conscious and of perceiving themselves as making choices) and therefore reject the exclusively materialistic model of reality.
I'll admit sudden curiousity how this applies, actually. There are, in fact, religions that make no issue of homosexuality, so irreligion isn't exactly directly tied to what we're talking about. And, as I actually noted a bit earlier, the general sentiment is not anti-Christian as a whole; it's specifically against the aspects of Christianity that the people in question see as unwholesome.