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[Elodie Hiras]

Hello!

I was wondering... Could you please put the new version (Even if it includes only bug fixes, please) for us to download? I would love to play LCS without the few bugs that are "resolved in trunk". Thanks.

Edit: I have a save with 3 COE sleepers. I used an old save to make the experiment. I thought I would ram the point home by getting 10 COEs, but 3 is enough to show the bug. Since the bug needed to be confirmed, there it is.

http://www.mediafire.com/?b3i56xa5qfrgm5r

[Jonathan S. Fox]

Edit: I have a save with 3 COE sleepers. I used an old save to make the experiment. I thought I would ram the point home by getting 10 COEs, but 3 is enough to show the bug. Since the bug needed to be confirmed, there it is.

http://www.mediafire.com/?b3i56xa5qfrgm5r

You lost me here. What does COE stand for, and what's the bug?

[Elodie Hiras]

The corporate COE, the EVIL INCARNATE ARCH CONSERVATIVE! That guy at the COE house/castle that has huge business skill, huge wisdom, is proficient with the Desert Eagle we wields, who warns you against corporate raids if you brainwash enlighten him as a sleeper! Who is only supposed to respawn if killed! (Before the last version, he would never respawn.)

Yep, somehow, I got three like him as sleepers. Pretty much game breaking, since they start at near 100% efficiency. They embezzel 15k a month all by themselves.

[Kay12]

Psst, it's actually CEO (Chief Executive Officer)

[Elodie Hiras]

Sorry. I mixed up the letters. Well, at least I still managed to get my point accross.

PS: Now it's confirmed by a downloadable save (just check my sleeper list, there are three CEO (I got it right this time)). So it should no longer say in the Open BUMS that it needs to be checked.

[Jonathan S. Fox]

Ohhh.... sorry, I didn't realize you were talking about the CEO. It was something like 5 am last night when I read that, and I didn't make the connection. ^_^ (To answer my own question, CEO stands for "Chief Executive Officer".)

[Elodie Hiras]

Hello!

There is a little oddity with brainwashed enlightened conservatives.

If they are rehabilitated, they do not rat out their captor. I don't think that was intended, since if they are enlightened before their disappearence is noticed, they can rat you out, but the code doesn't mention anything about that.

Is that normal?

[stabbymcstabstab]

I had three 20 heart liberals rat me out thus makeing it hard to stay alive even with the entire military and police force as sleepers including five judges they would rat me out and then i had agents storming my strongholds

[Kay12]

I think ratting out is mainly based on juice, but I have to check these out. It would make sense for enlightened people to rat out their interrogators (or just the main interrogator) upon capture.

[Elodie Hiras]

But only if they are rehabilitated or on a normal check. I mean, if the police is convinced they joined willingly, and they are indoctrinated enough, they should not automatically rat you out. But perhaps they would have a greater chance than most liberals to rat you out.

As for that check, I dived in the source, so I know it depends on Police Behaviour, the severity of crimes comitted, heart, juice, wisdom and psychology skill, even if I don't really understand the function.

Edit: If I understood it correctly, the cop strenght (depending on Police Behaviour and the crimes comitted) is capped at 200 (base 100 at M law, 200 at C+ law, 50 at L+ law). Then, it rolls a number between 0 and copstrengh - 1. If it is greater than Juice + 5 times Heart - 5 times wisdom + 5 times psychology, the liberal rats you out. Else, he resists, and then is tried.

[G-Flex]

I had three 20 heart liberals rat me out thus makeing it hard to stay alive even with the entire military and police force as sleepers including five judges they would rat me out and then i had agents storming my strongholds

Punctuation.

If it is greater than Juice + 5 times Heart - 5 times wisdom + 5 times psychology, the liberal rats you out. Else, he resists, and then is tried.

Interesting how higher psychology skill makes them more likely to rat you out. I wonder what the justification is there.

[Elodie Hiras]

You read what I wrote wrong. Well, Assuming I didn't read the function wrong:

Juice + 5xHeart - 5xWisdom + 5xPsychology is a thresold. If a random roll depeending on the copstrengh is greater than that, the liberals spills the beans. So more psychology means higher resistance.

[G-Flex]

Sorry, I reversed the signs on Wisdom and Heart in my head, so I thought Psychology was having an effect opposing Heart. My mistake.

[Elodie Hiras]

Hello!

I was wondering: would it be possible to introduce fines for misdeamanors at Liberal enough Death Penalty law? It would require having a clear criminal record. Given that by that point, your lawyer is virtually guaranteed to bail you out of charges like vandalism or disturbing the peace, and unless running a solo game, you have lots of liberals to make tags, so it does not sets you back a lot, why not introduce something like that:

Your criminal record free (and not reported missing) Liberal is spotted by the police while spraying a tag. So the game would tell you something like that:

"The police spot Liberal Name while he/she/(something accounting for nonstandard gender identity) was spraying a tag.

It is only a misdeamanor, and he was not wanted for any crime (yet).

The fine amount is xx$. Pay it? Y/N"

If you pay it, progress on the tag is cancelled, but nothing more happens.
If you don't, you get a chase scene like usual.

At the end of the month, you get a line like "Fines paid".

[DeathsDisciple]

Hullo, and I have one bug from LCS 4.04.0. OK, In every game I have a terrible crime record (500 murders, 30 accounts of treason,ect.), and one day I got captured. I WOULD GET THE DEATH PENALTY NO MATTER WHAT I DID! So, I disbanded the Squad, and viola. I got released.