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[Flying Dice]

LoL balance is essentially: "Are they Lee Sin? No? Do they have big boobs that'll sell lots of skins with different views of their cleavage? *cough*Ahri*cough* No? NERF!" 


I am, however, intrigued to see which midlaner will get the legendary skin. We've already got reps for top, jungle, ADC, and support.

[UXLZ]

We already have a midlaner with an ultimate, he's called Ezreal. Actually, he's everywhere but jungle. At least for me. I can make him work anywhere but jungle since he's still basically a 3skill champion for the AD build. Pretty hilarious as a support, no one expects me to instagib their midlaner.

Oh, and the top lane build is currently a WiP.

[Arcvasti]

Top lane squishy ranged people, from what I know on the subject, need three things:

1: To be able to run away/counterattack at close range/kite better then the other top laner can gap close/attack at close range/gapclose.

2: To be able to effectively poke/zone, often through a layer of minions.

3: To be useful enough to the team to warrant the lack of a melee tank/bruiser who charges in and hits things in a distracting fashion, often with cc involved somewhere.

I'm not sure Ezreal fits all three of those criteria, but I'm not the best Ezreal. And I'm fairly sure most good supports have more utility then an AS buff, but I suppose it could work just because of the poke.

[IronyOwl]

Pretty hilarious as a support, no one expects me to instagib their midlaner.

And I'm fairly sure most good supports have more utility then an AS buff, but I suppose it could work just because of the poke.

I've seen it work magnificently at least once. Which isn't the same as saying it works in general, but the burst really can be shocking.

[Putnam]

Uh, minor point of order, but valve had basically shit-all to do with DotA's champion roster.

Honestly, considering DotA's development has encompassed something like an entire bloody decade and spent a great deal of that shamelessly stealing ideas from other projects, it's not exactly a surprise it has a fair bit of variation in its skillsets and whatnot. Frankly, it's about the only thing approaching innovation the map has to its name (and is still notably weaker compared some other AoS maps :V).

Funny thing is that the people who actually created All-Stars (Meian and Ragn0r) aren't actually developing any Moba in any way now, AFAIK, unless HoN involve(d/s?) them. They were the most shameless idea-stealers, too, since All-Stars started out as just "take all the Dota map variants and put the coolest heroes in" while they were at the helm. Guinsoo brought new stuff, AFAIK, and Icefrog/Neichus and all the other hero designers who succeeded Guinsoo also made original stuff.

Also, unrelated, why does every single riot drone I see seem to think that Guinsoo created Dota?

[Frumple]

Presumably because you're interacting with communities that are actually willing to commonly use such terms as "riot drone".

[Putnam]

Everything has drones. They're not stupid, they just don't pay much attention to that particular part of their life, which is almost commendable considering what part we're talking about (which is to say, online vidya).

[Astral]

Also, unrelated, why does every single riot drone I see seem to think that Guinsoo created Dota?

Because his name was on one of the items?

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Seriously, though, it puzzled me even when the split happened years ago.

They're not technically incorrect; he was the lead developer of DotA for a time in major version 5, but abandoned it to IceFrog before it really got going in major version 6. If I remember correctly, he was the one who coined it as "DotA Allstars," but that was about the extent of his contribution to the game in its current state once Icefrog took over. There was some crazy shit compared to today's DotA in that version; Riki with what basically amounted to a Witch Doctor ultimate, mapwide Faceless Void Chronospheres, random characters with basic Warcraft 3 spells rather than some of their now signature moves... it was a bit of a mess.

Then he gets together with Pendragon and takes down the main forum hosting site with an ultimatum to Icefrog, and go on to make League once their demands weren't met. It was a classic case of "I'm taking the ball to go play over here." And the rest, as they say, is MOBA flamewar history.

This is all I remember from memory, and as it happened years ago when I was quite a bit younger, some of it may be a little embellished. Not the abilities though. Chronosphere was bullshit.

I do play and enjoy both games, though the personalities of some of the people who made and play them are very unfortunate. Also note that Guinsoo started at version 5. DotA had gone through a lot of iterations before he took the wheel, and lucked out that his version started to pick up popularity.

[Putnam]

Slightly different, Guinsoo had nothing to do with the forum AFAIK, All-Stars was Meian/Ragn0r. Other than that, yeah, about right. Wikipedia actually has a pretty good go-over last I saw.

ANYWAY TOXICITY. That's fun. Riot trying to automate muting with some sort of machine learning biz, from what I've heard. Is that implemented at all?

[Arcvasti]

ANYWAY TOXICITY. That's fun. Riot trying to automate muting with some sort of machine learning biz, from what I've heard. Is that implemented at all?

Fairly sure it is. One of my more... saucy friends who also plays League got thwacked by it. Not sure how accurate it is at determining which mouths need zipping, but it does seem to exist.

[UXLZ]

Topzreal probably won't work too well in the current meta, unfortuantely, due to champs like Lissandra.

The build I'm considering at the moment for it is something along the lines of:


Dorans -> Tear -> Manamune -> Randiuns/Botrk -> Iceborn/Trinity -> Frozen Mallet.

Tanky with slows and stuff. Not sure if it'll do enough damage though, so I need to do more testing in-game.

Summoners are Flash/Exhaust.

[DemonOfWrath]

I've been considering it as well but more as a counterpick for short range immobile things that I don't want to just Nunu (same thing I'd re-picked up Ahri a few months ago for, then she got the Q buff and went to perma-ban), I'd probably just go standard blue build with gauntlet.

Mostly considering it as a Nasus counter tbh, I've yet to get to test it (all the dogs dried up the moment I bought Ezreal!) but it at least looks favourable both early because you have range and poke that doesn't shove the wave, and split-pushing later since with gauntlet Nasus shouldn't be able to touch him and you have more pressure by being able to fire ults across the map.

I'd still run teleport, it's just too good in top lane at the moment. The way I see it up top is you take ignite if you're playing something really snowbally (say, a Fiora) and want to crush the guy quickly and go out of control, Exhaust if you're intending to split and try to duel people 1v1 a lot (Yasuo), teleport otherwise.

Iceborn with maybe Bork should be more than enough to keep anything shorter ranged off of you, I think building tanky beyond that is counter-productive since Ez brings no utility (and doesn't want to be in the frontlines!) so you being a brick doesn't matter because you aren't giving the other team a reason to focus you. Generally tanks either have a bunch of utility/CC to make them a threat while they sit in your team (your Maokai's, Sion's), or the ability to dive and wreck a squishy (Renekton, Irelia/Jax later game), which makes them a threat.

[xaritscin]

so checked surrender at 20, and way to go riot.."yeah kassadin may receive a buff"....yeah....they incremented the range of his R from 450 to 550. yeah that pretty much fixes what they did (sarcasm)....

as for red posts, it seems there's something going for urgot.....no im not talking about the last buffs in the PBE, but about his design, it seems the idea for him is along the lines of a 40K character, i can totally dig the chaos space marine/dark mechanicus style on him. it suits him perfectly. i hope rioters get with the rework soon.

[UXLZ]

Honestly, once I get better internet I'm moving to DotA.

[Lord_lemonpie]

I just want Urgot's third nipple back