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[Virex]

Hah. Well, without a solid bread&butter she'd not be the sustained mage she'd be otherwise, it's just that it's yet another line skillshot (tm). That being said, it'll probably work on her.

Karma's early support ability was pretty lousy anyway. Her current kit really shines in the late game, since her skills scale either with the number of allies nearby (Q and W) or with the armor and MR of her target (E). In her new kit she's got a slow, a conditional snare (IIRC, might be a stun) and an AOE shield. It's of course all in the numbers, but at least the core seems to be decent.

[Errol]

The main thing to note here is the mantra distribution in the early levels. Old Karma had a decent amount of Mantra early on and always had it when she needed it if she went for a bit of early CDR and didn't have to heal too much. But without Mantra, she was a sitting duck. New Karma will only have Mantra every so often early on and might even want to save it for certain clutch situations instead of dropping it on Q2 harass or stuff like that - but she actually has a decent toolkit in the time where Mantra is down, with Mantra stock really opening up her options for burst/CC/shenanigans. I'll not kid myself, about anything is better than old Karma.

I'll miss Spirit Bond though. That thing was ridiculous with Mantra. I like how they still give her a speed boost and a slow even in taking that ability out, though - but they won't be 40% for 6 seconds with the potential to be teamwide. Put it on an enemy and run circles around him.

[Wiles]

After playing Thresh some more I think he's my new go to support. He has everything you want out of a support; good poke, CC, utility and he's durable on top of all that. I'd be very surprised if he doesn't get nerfed, he just seems to be too good at everything without any drawbacks. I feel he'd be in a better place if they reduced the damage from the auto attack bonus on his Q. With some ad runes his harass is hard to lane against (especially for short ranged ad carries).

[penguinofhonor]

So nobody's actually talked about the Sej remake, I've noticed. I know we don't have any of her skills yet... but damn, that art.

It's confirmed to be more than just a visual upgrade, and apparently she'll apparently use Bristle more in her tweaked kit since they decided the boar-riding champion should actually use her boar a bit.

I'm actually more excited for this than the Karma rework (even though it's probably not going to be as extensive as Karma's), mostly cause I care a lot more about my tank junglers than my support-APs.

edit: Significant Udyr tweaks on PBE. Tiger stance does physical damage, turtle stance doesn't prevent crits anymore but also doesn't restore mana on hit, bear stance has a lower duration but higher movement speed bonus at later levels (rank one is unchanged), phoenix stance now activates the on-hit on your first attack and every third after, and monkey's agility gives +5 movement speed per stack instead of 4% armor/MR. Also all his abilities now cost 50/46/42/38/34 mana instead of 55/50/45/40/35.

Seems like a big nerf to his sustain in exchange for making him less kitable. And hitting the R proc on the first hit is big - I'm thinking Q, attack, R, attack gives a lot more burst now.

[Wiles]

Sejuani I feel is a champion that suffered more from people's perception than anything else. Not that I think she was great - just not as bad as she is often made out to be. That being said I'm looking forward to a rework because her kit was a bit bland (A spinning AOE spell on W? How original).

[Angle]

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[IronyOwl]

Those poor fools.

Also Urgot getting demolished makes me sad. As though he wasn't rare enough as is. D:

[Lord Snow]

I hate being AD when my top and mid feed without end.

Fizz didn't hit a fish all game, throwing them basicly at random and thin air, Shen fed nidalee and ulted our support every fight.

And here i am, with a fed ryze running at me, fed nid jumping on me, fed jarvan dunking me while trist sits back and gets kills and assists on my weak tankline.
Jump back, flash back, and somehow the rest of my team dies in the meantime, to trist/nunu who left lane 8 kills, 2 towers and 60+cs behind.

Like, it's ok, you lost your lane, no big deal. But you don't have to be retarded in mid and lategame as well, you can just play it out...

[penguinofhonor]

There was a rumor that Phoenix Stance was only going to have three ranks due to a bug in the client, but I'm glad to say that it's false. Still five.

Also Bear Stance now gives you a mini-dash if you attack something during the speed boost. It's really small, but it'll solve all those times that someone was just outside autoattack range.

[Graven]

Good to see the Nascar Hobo getting some changes. This should make him a bit more competitive on Dominion, even though mobility is always the most imporant bruiser stat there.

Anyone know when Zac is getting released? I thought it wouldn't be so long after his reveal.

Also I'm going to write a short post on casters on Dominion and Xerath in particular, but it'll have to wait a bit. Not like anyone needs it anyway, but I like to think I'm actually helping people x]

[Wiles]

It's confirmed to be more than just a visual upgrade, and apparently she'll apparently use Bristle more in her tweaked kit since they decided the boar-riding champion should actually use her boar a bit.

I just read some more info about it at surrender@20

Our in-game chat channel resident, @SpecreSlyd had two questions that he was curious about. The first question was, "Any Sejuani kit rework around the corner?"
Morello said that there are no plans to remake her kit, but there is a planned Visual Update! They are basically making her look more like the boar-riding warrior princess of the Frejord. But do not fret, players who love how Sejuani looks right now! Like what they're doing with Karma, people who already own Sejuani will receive a "Traditional Sejuani" skin in all her old boar-riding bikini goodness!
( Side note for context on kit changes, Meddler posted a few days ago saying they will be lighter sort of changes and not as thorough as, for example, Karma. )

It looks like it is just a visual update with some tweaks to her current kit. I find it kinda odd that Sejuani would get one before someone like Master Yi. Maybe it's just for the popularity boost she'll get?

[frostshotgg]

Sej doesn't need a full kit rework. Maybe some number shifts or the like, maybe making the base slow on E higher so she can feel better about maxing W, but she doesn't need a full rework, just buffs. That said, her image really doesn't fit her description. Pig riding a boar jokes aside, she's unintimidating and uninteresting.

[penguinofhonor]

But in this post IronStylus said they were definitely changing things to make Bristle a bigger part of her kit. I'm not sure how they could keep her gamplay the same and still work her boar into more of her moves than Q. Maybe she throws him for her R.

Plus Ironstylus has been asked a lot why they're visually upgrading Sejuani instead of champs who obviously need it more (Sivir, Sion) and he said that now was a really good opportunity to, which I took to imply that there was more than just a visual rework going on, and this way the people doing the visual changes could work with the people doing the other changes.

Sej doesn't need a full kit rework. Maybe some number shifts or the like, maybe making the base slow on E higher so she can feel better about maxing W, but she doesn't need a full rework, just buffs. That said, her image really doesn't fit her description. Pig riding a boar jokes aside, she's unintimidating and uninteresting.

A red talked about this a few months ago - she's not a "This champion can't be balanced" character like old Karma, but he said that her kit was unintuitive for new players and he'd like to push some parts of it around to make her easier to learn. There was a big topic on it.

[frostshotgg]

I stand by my statement that old Karma could be fine, she just needed her numbers to reflect that she didn't have an ult.

[Orangebottle]

Oh god, riot, why.

I didn't even notice Thresh's login music when he came out, but now it is the music of my nightmares.

Cling, clang, go the chains. Someone's out to fiiind you. Cling, clang, oh the chains, the warden's right behiiind you...
*SHUDDER*