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[Graven]

If Gambit are the next team to continue the ongoing trend from today, I'll be really sad.

[penguinofhonor]

I had a pretty sweet game as Taric. I like the rework - it feels like you can actually focus your build into doing specific things instead of just building generic support/tank stuff 100% of the time.

Any examples of specific things ?

I feel like you can build a bit more offense, like Sheen in laning phase if you want to go really aggressive. Iceborn Gauntlet seems like it'd be much better on him now. Manamune probably has potential (as well as RoA/Archangel's), though you'd probably need to be careful in laning phase with items like those if you're support. With the proper strategy I could see it happening though.

Basically I feel like Taric might have a lategame to build towards now rather than only being aggressive early game and then turning into a boring ball of stats after 15 minutes. You could probably do a decent amount of this before, but it at least feels more rewarding with the new scaling.

[Nivim]

If I may ask a question when I have not yet played the game; does it include a full-random button ()?— If not, is it likely to?— Or if so, can it be chosen in place of a first hero?

[frostshotgg]

Uh... What do you mean?

[Frumple]

Think Niv's asking if there's an all-random mode or somethin'. Which there is an ARAM mode, via the proving ground. Maybe more via the other custom options? S'been a while since I've looked at a custom game.

And yeah, there's a random button during critter select, but you can just keep pressing it if you feel like. Nothing like DotA's system, as champ select occurs before the game even starts.

Otherwise might be asking if there's a random option that can hit characters you don't have access to. That, there isn't. Random'll only pick from heroes you've got.

[ZetaX]

You can also hit the "Lock in" button, answer the pop-up question with "Yes" and get locked in with a random champion. That's as close as it probably gets to DotA's "-random". Note that you cannot have picked a champion beforehand for this to work.

[Nivim]

Otherwise might be asking if there's a random option that can hit characters you don't have access to. That, there isn't. Random'll only pick from heroes you've got.

This is the one I meant (starting with such an option as a hero, essentially), but...

Think Niv's asking if there's an all-random mode or somethin'. Which there is an ARAM mode, via the proving ground. Maybe more via the other custom options? S'been a while since I've looked at a custom game.

...this sounds just as interesting. Mostly what I'm looking for is a version of LoL in which you have to figure out your hero and team tactics from scratch almost every match; about 10-30 to scan the unknown hero's abilities, then the time until you start farming to figure out your teammates and enemies. A lot of people have recommended LoL to me, and it looks like it has much potential, but it seems so incredibly slow.

(Oh, and this state of mind isn't what I'd be using to play the game, if I seem to be constructing ideas strangely; quite tired.)

Predit:

You can also hit the "Lock in" button, answer the pop-up question with "Yes" and get locked in with a random champion. That's as close as it probably gets to DotA's "-random". Note that you cannot have picked a champion beforehand for this to work.

Same limited version as Frumple spoke of, or all heroes for minimum predictability from game 1?

[frostshotgg]

First off, the champs you have available to you follows a weird system, and there's no breaking it. To start off with, there's a circulation of 10 or so free champs every week, which you don't have to own to play. Once the week ends, that set of 10 stops being free and the next set becomes free. If you want to permanently unlock a champion, you can pay either IP, which you earn for playing tons of games and racking up the wins, although most of the champions are quite cheap so you'll be able to get a pretty decent pool rather quickly. The other option is RP, which is paid currency, but it's definitely not pay-to-win by any means, those are the only thing you can buy with it that have an actual impact on the game. If you choose to take a random champion, it'll select one from your pool of available champs, which are the ones you've permanently unlocked plus whatever the week's freebies are, nothing else.

You won't be able to do that with specific champs (LoL calls em champions no heroes. I don't care about being specific, but some of the dota vs lol fanboys get picky.) for very long. There's the period up until you learn all of the champions where that can be the case, and much later on if you ever get there where you're theory crafting and want to try something new because of a skill change or something.

For example, Taric, who is something like a Paladin, he has a heal and he's supposed to be hard to kill and passively give teammates around him stat bonuses and stuff, recently got a bunch of changes and so a handful of people tried him in other positions in the standard set up than he normally is.

As for constructing tactics every match, yeah, that's a thing. Basically, you have to be really adaptable to figure out what you're going to do in reaction to what goes on each game, both in champ select and 20 minutes in. The times when this gets most crazy is known as ARAM, all random all mid. Basically, it picks a random champion from your pool and you're stuck with it. Then you spend the next half hour duking it out with 9 other people who are just as likely to get someone they play regularly as you are, so half the time you'll get a champ you haven't played in months and be like "Oh wow, I never remembered [Whoever] was so fun to play, this is great!". Other times you'll get your favorite champion and then completely crush the other team. It's finicky like that.

[Nivim]

 Thank you, Frostshot, this puts things into perspective. It sounds like I'll be able to get about the situations I want simply by not unlocking charoes*, and trying 3-5 A.R.A.M.s a week.

*On char' names; having neither played DotA nor LoL, I was actually getting my mental box from the old HoMM games, or possibly even earlier. I now butcher a mix and I'll let those fans be both picky and confused.

Predit: I did not realize Linux installation would be this annoying. Need to jail another account for online wine games.

[penguinofhonor]

Everyone's talking about how OP BoRK is now, so I decided to test it out on jungle Panth. It did not disappoint, but I was already super fed when I got it so I can't be sure.

Also I remembered how fun jungle Pantheon is. If you ever want to play a jungler whose greatest weakness is killing jungle monsters, go Panth. He's not very good at it, but that's why you farm laners.

[ZetaX]

If you want to do that, play Leona 

[Tidal]

Tanky DPS Leona with BoRK?

[webadict]

Everyone's talking about how OP BoRK is now, so I decided to test it out on jungle Panth. It did not disappoint, but I was already super fed when I got it so I can't be sure.

Also I remembered how fun jungle Pantheon is. If you ever want to play a jungler whose greatest weakness is killing jungle monsters, go Panth. He's not very good at it, but that's why you farm laners.

See, I want to say BotRK is OP. I really do. But, the only OP aspect about it is the cost, which is significantly low for what it gives. Granted, several items are like that, but it's not uncounterable. The reason it seems OP is because it counters health building, combined with the nerf to Warmog's and its buff. However, expect to see Sunfire and Randuin's to counter Blade. Especially Sunfire. Combine this with Frozen Heart, which I sense is the next to receive a minor buff, or Iceborn Guantlet, and you'll see the end of Blade soon enough, and the resurgence of BC. Or whatever gets buffed, really.

Personally, I want Executioner's to get a nice buff, so that it's playable. The problem with the item is there's no late game item for it, and buying it early doesn't contribute enough additional stats to make it viable.

[Graven]

Welp, I'm done for now. A 10-loss streak. Woo hoo Dominion.

[Wiles]

I've been playing around with BotrK on Quinn, it fits her chasing/duelist playstyle really well. People will complain about BotrK being OP, but they won't build against it. I haven't seen a single randuin's or frozen heart. I think a bruiser with Randuins would be a nightmare for Quinn.