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[penguinofhonor]

The competitive meta right now isn't passive farming and hasn't been for a long time, because at some point TSM was like "hey let's all build early game items and stomp everyone who's just passive farming" and they won a couple tournaments off it, then everyone had to adapt to that strategy.

Dumb low/mid elo people are really only good at parroting the meta as it was six months ago, though. And I'm still surprised at the amount of people who can't adapt their builds to their opponent's strategy.

[khantin]

That sounds like less like you're supporting the Meta and more like you hate stupid fucks.

Fuck the Meta. Assuming that it's not a first time thing done for testing then it probably at least has some point. And I'm fairly certain that stupid idiots blindly following the meta outnumber stupid idiots blindly disobeying it 10 to 1.

The people blindly following the meta usually contribute meaningfully to their team, even if they don't know why, whereas people that ignore the meta and don't know why it persists can be extremely detrimental.

[webadict]

That sounds like less like you're supporting the Meta and more like you hate stupid fucks.

Fuck the Meta. Assuming that it's not a first time thing done for testing then it probably at least has some point. And I'm fairly certain that stupid idiots blindly following the meta outnumber stupid idiots blindly disobeying it 10 to 1.

The people blindly following the meta usually contribute meaningfully to their team, even if they don't know why, whereas people that ignore the meta and don't know why it persists can be extremely detrimental.

This is why people follow it blindly. It works. They may not know why, but I'd much rather them not know and play it than know and not play it.

[Graven]

Bought Xin. Before his rework hit the shelves, without even trying it out on the PBE. Because I am a loose cannon. Trip report to follow.

edit : Literally first game :

[penguinofhonor]

Welcome to Xin. Snowball or die.

Consequently he's better on the crystal scar since you won't be starved as badly as you can be on SR.

[webadict]

Welcome to Xin. Snowball or die.

Consequently he's better on the crystal scar since you won't be starved as badly as you can be on SR.

How Xin works:
Is he fed:
Yes) Is he on your team:
 - Yes) AFK until free win
 - No) /ff
No) Is he on your team:
 - Yes) Call him noob Xin
 - No) Call him noob Xin

Pretty much all encompassing guide to Master Yi as well.

[Dariush]

Today I played my first game as Sion (AD). Got 11/1/12. He's hilariously OP, even moreso than Yi. Epic stun on Q: check; Epic regen on R: check; snowball/epic damage buff on E: check; crappy shield/moderately epic AoE on W: check. Did I mention that I generally suck at LoL, and even managed to fail while playing as Yi?

Also, in the same game my team had five melee champs. The closest we've got to ranged was Jayce. As a result we spent like 15 minutes milling around their base with Baron's buff, unable to do anything because all minions were dead and we were surrounded by towers.

[Cthulhu]

Any cc will shut down ad Sion.  blind will ruin his life

[frostshotgg]

Sion is one of those champs that *really* need a kit rework. He can choose to not be a complete liability early game and go AP, but then he's useless late game and he doesn't even have 2 skills unless he's using both of them at the same time, or he can choose to be useless for the first 20 minutes and never get to do anything because team already /ff'd. I prefer AD myself, but he's really in a terrible spot.

@Cthulhu: CC is probably less of a problem for Sion than it is for Trynd or Yi, all things considered. And blinds don't really exist. There are... 2 I think.

[Dariush]

Any cc will shut down ad Sion.

...Who (of the AD carries) won't be shut down by any CC?

  blind will ruin his life

Which blind? Teemo's, who's going to dominate you either way, or Heimer's, whom nobody plays like ever?

Duh, ninjad.

[Graven]

Carries have range, Sion has... a stun? Perhaps? He's pretty devastating on Dominion since if you run he has already won, but on SR, meh. Also ye, I fed one game as Xin to high heavens, then back to number 1 snowball extravaganza.

[Bordellimies]

AD Sion is a really good jungler and toplaner. He farms quickly, he doesn't need any damage and regen, only one is needed because E gives massive damage and R gives massive sustain.
Jungling is really fast too when you don't expect it to be. Level the shield first, E second. When ganking, the stun -> shield combo hurts a lot even with zero AP.
And of course the snowballing. Creep farm gives him more health, which translates into damage because Sion always buys Atma if he is AD. If he gets hero kills, then he gets IE and Phantom Dancers quickly, which causes him to be insanely strong dueler, or if able to attack, he can even 1 vs 3 quite easily.

My usual build for him (when jungling) is Vamp scepter --> Merc Treads + Wriggle --> Atma --> Warmogs --> IE --> Phantom Dancer. Perhaps sell Wriggle later on and buy Maw of Malmortius if the MR is needed, or buy it before phantom dancer.

[penguinofhonor]

AD Sion doesn't really have enough of the tools a tanky DPS needs to avoid being kited and help with tanking, and he doesn't have anything a melee carry needs to avoid being CC'd and focused.

His passive HP is great, but it doesn't completely make up for the squishier build you need to adopt. His CC is pretty good, but you waste a decent amount of it walking up to them. His ult's lifesteal lets him enter godmode sometimes and get tons of tankiness and DPS, but he's too reliant on it to be consistent.

[frostshotgg]

Borde, the problem with that build is that what little AS you get, you get so late that for half the game you'll be taking one attack per hour.

[penguinofhonor]

Eh, I'd go attack speed runes on Sion to mitigate that. And then he has his ult. Probably could still use some.

Why isn't there a good melee DPS sort of attack speed item, actually? Something that doesn't give proc damage so you can crit off it.