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[ansontan2000]

nvm. It appears another patch was being rolled out.

[ansontan2000]

Wait, what??? No patch is being rolled out. Can you explain in more detail?

Sorry for the double post.

[umiman]

Hrm, well, apparently this hotfix being issued right now is to fix Ranked Teams.

And at the same time, Morello, Classick, Zileas and a bunch of other Riot devs (and I think a few pros) are going to mathcraft proper jungle gold and xp numbers so that junglers don't feel screwed over.

[ECrownofFire]

Also some champs are having their skills randomly grey out (Tristana has been temporarily disabled because of it), so a hotfix may be for that as well.

[ansontan2000]

Dang it, servers are going to be off for 3 more hours.

[ansontan2000]

O_O they just went back up. DOUBLE POST AGAIN, SORRY TOADY! I JUST NEED THEM TO REALIZE IT!

[umiman]

A side effect of watching all the solo top streams to learn champion power levels with the new masteries is that I'm getting a pretty good idea of which bruiser counters which bruiser at top lane.

So, a short list of common picks and immediate counters: Picks vs counters

Irelia - Tryndamere
Tryndamere - Gangplank
Gangplank - Jarman
Jarman - Irelia
Yorick - Udyr
Udyr - Shyvana
Shyvana - Skarner
Skarner - Gangplank

I think that's all the bruisers. Nasus is countered by all these guys, so don't ever take Nasus against them. It's such an interesting side effect from what should technically be minor changes to masteries isn't it? Just by changing those, Riot has completely changed up top lane so hard. It used to be no one could kill each other after all.

Of course, if you can't remember who counters who, just play Garen, Renekton, Riven, or Swain.

[eerr]

in at least two games, I've had gangplank beat garen solotop

me vs garen, and one other game.

Just start with at least three health pots.

[Pandarsenic]

Musta been a shitty Garen.

[Bordellimies]

How effective would Garen be at lvl 1 with Judgement, if I packed flat AD runes (+22 AD at lvl 1 if I remember correctly) + Doran's Blade/Long Sword (+10 AD), if I'd use exhaust + ignite as well? I haven't played a single game as Garen, so not sure how high AD at start would work out.


What I mean is, jump from bush + exhaust enemy, and spin like a boss, and finally ignite if enemy is low enough on hp.

[Errol]

(22+10+5+3)*2.8 + 100 plus ignite. Therefore, you'd be capable of doing around 300 damage if my math is correct, it probably lacks a few auto attacks. I could have made a miscalculation that decreases the damage by about 30% tho.

Use ignite at beginning, it gives 5 extra AD for the spin.

[eerr]

The new ap yi:

Dorans ring, boots of swiftness, rabadons deathcap, Warmogs armour,

abyssal/lichbane/voidstaff


watch team fight.

run pretty fast boots.

Kill everything.


You don't need rod of ages anymore, because of the mana cost nerf to alpha strike and highlander.

[Pandarsenic]

Never take Judgement first. QEEWER.

Math it y'self, since Q resets autoattack animation. Or look up when Umi and I math'd it earlier.

[Melagius]

These jungle changes are making so many people rage. It's hilarious. :p

[ansontan2000]

Dang, Warwick+Janna top makes for an absolute bloodsucker. The warwick I played with went for berserker's greaves +Stark's, with AD and AS runes and masteries. He just kelp MURDERING Fizz.