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[Ivefan]

The coin has 100% armor penetration, which makes it a great bell killer early if you didn't nuke the tutorial NPCs for their weapons, and useful against high PV enemies like hermit crabs. It's still worth getting as swap for seeinvis and skills, as you mentioned.

I'm a level 55 mage, so I won't be throwing anything. Which I was curious if there was anything else to put in that slot just for the bonuses

[Aplsos]

Wearing a shield in your thrown slot doesn't penalize your cast chance, so you can use something like the Al'ud and benefit from the damage nullification.  Or you can put your best spell enhancing staff there and leave your hands free for better melee equipment, if you like to play warmage.

[SirAaronIII]

Or triple wield spell enhancing staves.
No just kidding that's stupid don't do it


Didn't think of using the throwing slot that way though. I prefer to use actual throwing weapons like panties though because I never noticed the damage dropoff back when I was a mighty hero like you folks.

[Robsoie]

I had no idea you could put items in the "Shoot" slot, i thought it was only for ranged weaponry.

Very good to know, as my character was wielding both the Staff of Insanity and the Scythe of Void due to the amazing bonus they provide (and unfortunately wielding 2 weapons is giving a malus in chances to cast a spell, similarly to riding, shield wielding or using medium or heavy armor)

Now that i learned that, it's going to be very different story in some battles in which often a casting failure could lead to a minion being killed.

[etgfrog]

I had no idea you could put items in the "Shoot" slot, i thought it was only for ranged weaponry.

Very good to know, as my character was wielding both the Staff of Insanity and the Scythe of Void due to the amazing bonus they provide (and unfortunately wielding 2 weapons is giving a malus in chances to cast a spell, similarly to riding, shield wielding or using medium or heavy armor)

Now that i learned that, it's going to be very different story in some battles in which often a casting failure could lead to a minion being killed.

this was added in 1.20, i was mentioning it earlier...guess i got ignored...

regardless, the shoot slot is basically what you have on your back...but it is interesting as it shows the weapon or shield being thrown at the enemy

what is interesting though...if you eat a weapon that has "it stops time" will cause time to stop...so any extra weapons that you have that has that on it, turn it into raw then hold onto it as a stop time potion

[Alkhemia]

Same as with "it brings an end" not sure if random artifacts can get that though.

[Flying Dice]

Okay, that pianist that got the wish at level 5? At level six, she got a statue of Ehekatl while sleeping. In the course of digging up extra casino chips for the first use of it, she's gotten five in two levels of the Puppy cave, as well as two 500yen and one 100yen coin. Out of a total of 6 mutations from fountains, all of them have been positive (+6 DEX total, +5 SPD, Regen+, Res Sound and Fire+). She's just barely level seven.


Ye gods, I think this is the luckiest character I've ever had.

[SirAaronIII]

Same as with "it brings an end" not sure if random artifacts can get that though.

Yeah, someone (etg?) made a lightsaber with it.

[Flying Dice]

Oh for fuck's sake, I just went into town to play some blackjack, drank from a fountain in passing, and I get another wish. o.o

[SirAaronIII]

You're stealing all my wishes!

[Robsoie]

I thought  the amount of cargo were increasing the chances of being ambushed, i didn't knew they were putting the whole ambush party on steroids.
I thought only fame did that.

I decided to get a bit of time alone, sent my minions army to town.
While travelling, i was ambushed.

Was a bit hard, i had to teleport several times, but my powerfull magic dart finally destroyed the enemies.

Then i went back to my storage house and using the carpentry skill i built 250 barrels (no idea i had so many materials), it leveled up several time the Carpentry skills in the process.
I went to Vernis and could sold only 50 as the cargo merchant didn't have that much money (and i didn't invested on it)

So i decided to go to Derphy instead of having to wait for another day for the merchant to get more gold.

As i expected, i was ambushed, i teleported immediately, and landed near a border, i considered the fight wouldn't be worth it, so i moved 1 tile toward the border
And saw 5 members of the ambush party moving close to me and killing me ...

All of that while i only took a single turn of mine.

Considering they were at the middle of the map as usual, and i was in the border, what they did was then playing at least easily 50 turns if not more while i was playing only 1 turn

I simply never saw this before, and looking on the log, i saw they were a bit more than level 50 , the same kind of level they were from the ambush before , but while they were fast and were playing a few turns while i was playing one, it was -nowhere- near close to the insane kind of "fast" they were.

I don't know if it's something new to Elona+ or if it has always been like this (i thought their power was only dependant on fame, and in the wiki i didn't read anything about your cargo boosting their attributes), because i never used the carpentry skill before now to build that much cargo.

So in case you're trying to make easy money with the Carpentry skill (barrel needs only a skill of 8 , and material that are numerous in the dungeons spots) , make sure your world map travels with the cargo is very, very short to reduce your chance of getting that kind of encounter

Because high powered ambush party at high fame can be hard , but high powered ambush party on steroid because you travel with nearly 2 hundred barrels is overkill.

I wish there was a Dwarf Fortress-like Arena , i really would have liked to see one of those silly overpowered ambush members against one of the overpowered south bosses .
From what i see if they're able to have so many dozen of turns for one of mine (i'm speed 133) , i'm not sure the south boss guy would really stand a chance.

[Alkhemia]

You're stealing all my wishes!

Added: looks like I need to get carpentry If only I could find the trainers in those towns.

[etgfrog]

Same as with "it brings an end" not sure if random artifacts can get that though.

Yeah, someone (etg?) made a lightsaber with it.

yes, it was the only one that was godly out of the 80 or so lightsabers i could craft with the materials i had, mostly trying to move away from this character and play a legit char since well...there is a cheated item i have and that is probably how i got the large stacks of hermes blood but oh well, this is a char that i've been playing on an off for quite a while...and usually when i get bored of a single player game i tend to try to break it with cheat engine...but this one eluded me as there is just one item that kind of tipped me off...which was the boots of seven leagues which i never since picking the char up again looked to replace...because well it wasn't something you can easily replace...up until i recently found another one in a dungeon and saw the one i have had ALL resistances at (#######+)...so it was time to reincarnate and leave most of the items behind...good chance to try out no future mode though..

interesting though...in no future mode if you save and exit while in a dungeon then you load with a punishment hex on you and...what? karma is set to -100 if you load a save from outside of your home?
well...also in no future you don't regain karma when you die to a guard...and you drop EVERYTHING you have...

[SirAaronIII]

That just sounds like fake difficulty to make your life suffering. Regular mode forever, I say.

(also because I'm a wuss)

[etgfrog]

It does present some interesting ideas...such as crafting yourself equipment and storing things in your home...not sure what happens with pets though...i'm pretty sure it is possible...but you would need to be very careful...instead of pawning off old equipment you would store a backup set for if you do die to regain it...however regaining karma...will be interesting.

ok...so far...step 1...gather food from outside, get large enough piles to identify what is what(the largest pile will almost always be regular)
step 2...poke into puppy cave and gather equipment
step 3 will be run to derphy to revive petgot a treasure map while sleeping
step 3 run to the location of this treasure map...died 3 tiles from home due to starvation
stuck at home due to etherwind

Ah...it makes sense now...the 21 slot inventory, so you don't try to carry everything you can while your building up your stockpile of stuff