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8 (7%)

Democrat

16 (13.9%)

Other Party (There are more than two? Amazing!)

20 (17.4%)

FUCK the political party system!

24 (20.9%)

I'm one of them foriegnerz and I'm just voting so I can annoy Heli

47 (40.9%)

Total Members Voted: 115

[Gorjo MacGrymm]

the way the US system is set up, the tea party would lose a whole lot of power by registering as their own party, but I've heard a whole ton of tea partiers say how much they despise the Republicans (and the Democrats). But by keeping the "R" next to their name, they knock out the main opponent of their base in the primaries and get a ton of free votes.

Their biggest problem in being considered a party of their own is their lack of central leadership and planks.

So when Gorjo says he's a member of the Tea Party, theirs quite a few different ways to interpret it. the only widely accepted issues seem to be "reduce debt", "no public healthcare", "no gay marriage", and "limit or remove environmental protection legislation"

So, gorjo, what do you believe the planks of the tea party to be? And how does it differ from those of the Republican party?

If u think that is a tea party platform, you know ZERO about the tea party. 

Looking at US politics, it seems like the US would be a happier political place if the two parties had at least one split each. The current setup is just causing everyone grief and is quite undemocratic.

Their current setup is far better than what we have in Europe. In Europe parties are monolithical entities, and internal dissent is nigh-nonexistant (which turns law voting into little more than a Magic the Gathering contest), whereas in the US you can often find senators of a party voting for or against resolutions following their personal ethos. Plus independents make it to US  governing bodies far more often than in Europe.

Not really. The republicans vote along party lines (at least on everything major). The democrats don't as much, something that screws them over since the republicans have a united front on everything.

Wow, nice delusion you have convinced yourself of there.

The Tea party is, for all we care, part of the Republican party. If you REALLY must say you are part of them, just pick Republican.

So, are you stating that as the official position of the Bay 12 Forums?

No, I am not picking republican, because I plan on helping get a lot of those bums thrown outta office in 2012 and 2014 also, right along side some their Democrat corruptocrat pals.

Not just bay 12, anyone with a brain. The tea party is very clearly part of the Republican party. Voting Tea party is voting republican.

Anyone with a brain would reseach before speaking, not glibly repeat generalities of biased media bullshit.  Did you know that some democrats in the last election were backed by the tea party?  I mean, really, most of the statements in this thread clearly show how much judgement before investigation goes on around here.

For those who question the validity of the party because there is no central party leadership........ummmmm.........thats part of the point.  Its libertarian based, not republican.  It did attract a large amount of republicans, but it also attracted quite a few democrats, mostly those who might consider themselves "bluedog" types.

As for the trolls, well, you can just ..........................

[Criptfeind]

Bluh bluh bluh, if you have republican ideals, republican agendas, and republican backers. You are a republican.

[Gorjo MacGrymm]

Your proving my point criptfiend, by spouting that nonsense.  The tea party will elect whomever and whatever party will get the job done.  The repubs tried to hijack it for the last election, and now everyone is seeing that the repubs are NOT doing what the tea party wants and the tea party is pissed, which is why they have decided to put Boehner out of office.  Your continued uneducated hate towards something you know nothing about except what opposition news/blogs told you is getting stale.

[Farmerbob]

It's just too bad that we cannot simply apply lava magma to Washington DC to get rid of all our nobles.

*fixed*

[Angel Of Death]

It's just too bad that we cannot simply apply lava to Washington DC to get rid of all our nobles.

Lava!!?!


MAGMA!

[Earthquake Damage]

Your proving my point criptfiend, by spouting that nonsense.  The tea party will elect whomever and whatever party will get the job done.  The repubs tried to hijack it for the last election, and now everyone is seeing that the repubs are NOT doing what the tea party wants and the tea party is pissed, which is why they have decided to put Boehner out of office.  Your continued uneducated hate towards something you know nothing about except what opposition news/blogs told you is getting stale.

You've been delightfully nonspecific.  Since we've clearly been misinformed by the liberal tea-hating media (funded, as we all know, by the coffee industry or something?), care to explain what it is?

[Criptfeind]

Your proving my point criptfiend, by spouting that nonsense.  The tea party will elect whomever and whatever party will get the job done.  The repubs tried to hijack it for the last election, and now everyone is seeing that the repubs are NOT doing what the tea party wants and the tea party is pissed, which is why they have decided to put Boehner out of office.  Your continued uneducated hate towards something you know nothing about except what opposition news/blogs told you is getting stale.

You act as if it is not a bunch of politicians trying to gain and hold onto power. Seriously, if you want to talk ideals, talk ideals, if you want to talk what is really happening, talk what is really happening. But don't say that what is really happening is not true because of ideals.

[Farmerbob]

From what I've seen, most Tea Party persons are a lot more tightly focused on spending issues than anything else.  If you look at what they support, for the most part, they support it for fiscal reasons.

That doesn't mean I agree with them more often than I agree with other politicians in office, but I actually respect a fairly large number of tea party members that I've met because they generally aren't nearly as hypocritical as other politicians.  I give it maybe two or three election cycles and if the tea party still exists, they will be just as hypocritical as everyone else, and nothing meaningful will have actually been done to fix social security, medicare, medicaid, healthcare, the tax system, energy reliance, immigration, or the failing infrastructure system.

[Gorjo MacGrymm]

Your proving my point criptfiend, by spouting that nonsense.  The tea party will elect whomever and whatever party will get the job done.  The repubs tried to hijack it for the last election, and now everyone is seeing that the repubs are NOT doing what the tea party wants and the tea party is pissed, which is why they have decided to put Boehner out of office.  Your continued uneducated hate towards something you know nothing about except what opposition news/blogs told you is getting stale.

You've been delightfully nonspecific.  Since we've clearly been misinformed by the liberal tea-hating media (funded, as we all know, by the coffee industry or something?), care to explain what it is?

Ummm, I have.  I think.

Your proving my point criptfiend, by spouting that nonsense.  The tea party will elect whomever and whatever party will get the job done.  The repubs tried to hijack it for the last election, and now everyone is seeing that the repubs are NOT doing what the tea party wants and the tea party is pissed, which is why they have decided to put Boehner out of office.  Your continued uneducated hate towards something you know nothing about except what opposition news/blogs told you is getting stale.

You act as if it is not a bunch of politicians trying to gain and hold onto power. Seriously, if you want to talk ideals, talk ideals, if you want to talk what is really happening, talk what is really happening. But don't say that what is really happening is not true because of ideals.

Honestly, i am not sure what you mean, not argueing with you on your post here, just trying to fit in the context of the last few posts and I am not seeing the connection you obivously do.  Please elaborate about the "ideals" and "what is happeneing specifically" compared to what I said.  Really, I want to avoid a misunderstaning flame out.  I know that I sometimes find myself making mental logic jumps in my discussions that dont manage to get typed here on the forums.  Or, maybe i am just to dull to get your point, which is possible.

From what I've seen, most Tea Party persons are a lot more tightly focused on spending issues than anything else.  If you look at what they support, for the most part, they support it for fiscal reasons.
That doesn't mean I agree with them more often than I agree with other politicians in office, but I actually respect a fairly large number of tea party members that I've met because they generally aren't nearly as hypocritical as other politicians.  I give it maybe two or three election cycles and if the tea party still exists, they will be just as hypocritical as everyone else, and nothing meaningful will have actually been done to fix social security, medicare, medicaid, healthcare, the tax system, energy reliance, immigration, or the failing infrastructure system.

In my own admittedly based opinion, I would say that Farmerbob sees the real tea party.

It's just too bad that we cannot simply apply lava magma to Washington DC to get rid of all our nobles.

*fixed*

SECONDED!  or i guess Thirded, after Angel of Death.

[Tilla]

All I know about the tea party is that they don't know what the Boston Tea-Party was about (Hint, it wasn't anti-government, it was anti-corporate)

[Criptfeind]

Ideals = Tea party ideals are basically a republican set of ideals.

What is happening = The Tea party is supporting republicans.

Both point to the Tea party to being a republican set.

Now, admittedly, the tea party is not tied as close to it as most, but it still fundamentally fits under the umbrella of 'republican'.

Edit: I would like to state for the record that my information on them comes from their own web site with a small amount of Wikipedia for backing.

[Gorjo MacGrymm]

All I know about the tea party is that they don't know what the Boston Tea-Party was about (Hint, it wasn't anti-government, it was anti-corporate)

  Please elaborate.  Sounds like an interesting opinion.  I would like to hear more.  Not about what you think the tea party thinks about it, because such blanket statements dont work, but instead, your "anti-corporate not anti-government" thesis (im not disagreeing with you, just that you threw out such a strong remark, i wanna hear more).

Ideals = Tea party ideals are basically a republican set of ideals.
--rebublicans are all over the place in their ideals.  The last 20 years they becames a party mostly devoted to moral causes and left fiscal conservatism behind.  notably, anti-abortion, anti-gay marraige, among others
What is happening = The Tea party is supporting republicans.
--like i said, the Replublican party tried to hijack the tea party.  now thats failing.
Both point to the Tea party to being a republican set.
yes, only because the republicans used it to get elected, and now realize the tea party people wont go away.  Like i said, John Boener is now #1 on the tea party hit list.
Now, admittedly, the tea party is not tied as close to it as most, but it still fundamentally fits under the umbrella of 'republican'.
--I agree that fiscal conservatism most often does fit under the "umbrella", but Blue Dog democrats dont, and they are also fiscally conservative.  You should look up those democrats that were suported by the tea partry.  The republicans in those elections went batshit cuz they just didnt get it.

I hope that clears up stuff.  thanks for the breakdown.




ALSO:  Topic: ITT:We go completely off topic and discuss the validity of the Tea Party...Party
yeah, my bad, right of the bat I started that.

[Criptfeind]

Hum. Well. Okay. I am not going to change my mind, the republican party is all over as you say, but since this is a two party system they pretty much by definition have to hold half the non crazy view points. (and most of the crazy ones, har har I kid... Not really) But I guess they are welcome to call themselves whatever they want, it is not to my determent if that splits their vote or whatever.

Also, a brief search did not find any democrats with major supported from the party, might you have a name or two? Because it says right on the Tea party web site that no democrats are currently being supported.

[Gorjo MacGrymm]

Hum. Well. Okay. I am not going to change my mind, the republican party is all over as you say......

I have been thinking that the republican party is screwed for about 3 years now.  its coming true.  But I think the democrats are also in trouble.  I predict a major shift in ideologies from both parties soon, kinda like how 50 years ago the democrats were the southern racist anti-civil rights party.  Both parties constantly fluctuate throughout heir histories.  The tea party I believe wil be the next catalyst, like the civil rights movement before it.

Also, a brief search did not find any democrats with major supported from the party, might you have a name or two? Because it says right on the Tea party web site that no democrats are currently being supported.

here is one article about it:  its goes to support what i mean by "the republicans dont get it" and have tried to "hijack it" for their own.
http://dailycaller.com/2010/04/21/republican-baffled-by-tea-party-endorsement-of-democrat-rival/

[sluissa]

For those who question the validity of the party because there is no central party leadership........ummmmm.........thats part of the point.  Its libertarian based, not republican.  It did attract a large amount of republicans, but it also attracted quite a few democrats, mostly those who might consider themselves "bluedog" types.

"bluedog" Democrats are, not always, but often, just conservatives (read: Republicans) running under the Democrat banner because they know for one reason or another they couldn't win running as a Republican. There's historical precedent in that method of political survival as well.

Going all the way back to the early 1800s, the Federalist party, having fallen out of favor and having gained somewhat of a bad reputation after the war of 1812, had a mass exodus of its members, many ending up in the relatively new and extremely popular Democratic-Republican party. The very same party that they had been arguing against during and even before the war.

See Also:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Party_switching_in_the_United_States


It's my opinion that at this point, the Republican party has shifted so far to the right (as much as I hate using the linear political scale) that moderates and moderate conservatives (The original basis of the Republican party) are forced to run as Democrats or in at least a few cases, independent. (Joe Lieberman as the prime example.)

On a personal note: I've met my share of Tea Party members. I will say most of them seem to be pretty nice people as long as you stay away from politics (Actually, most people seem to be this way.) They do tend to attract a lot of the survivalist type people though. Again, not necessarily bad people, just... not who I'd pick to run the country.