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Author Topic: What are your opinions on the "big issue" of today? (not a troll thread)  (Read 40808 times)

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Re: What are your opinions on the "big issue" of today? (not a troll thread)
« Reply #510 on: March 30, 2011, 09:38:18 pm »

Next time my computer stops working, I'm gonna accuse it of having the qualities of Max White, and then I'm gonna claim that there's no relation.

That said, my brother, who is gay, gets upset when I use the word in a negative way, and then uses it himself the same way.

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« Reply #511 on: March 30, 2011, 09:40:02 pm »

Next time my computer stops working, I'm gonna accuse it of having the qualities of Max White, and then I'm gonna claim that there's no relation.

See, he wont care, that is his point. What you should do is call it Max White for being slow and refusing to do what it should to work properly.
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Re: What are your opinions on the "big issue" of today? (not a troll thread)
« Reply #512 on: March 30, 2011, 09:40:30 pm »

Next time my computer stops working, I'm gonna accuse it of having the qualities of Max White, and then I'm gonna claim that there's no relation.

That said, my brother, who is gay, gets upset when I use the word in a negative way, and then uses it himself the same way.

~\_(o_O)_/~

Well ok, if your intent isn't to offend, then I am not offended. Although taking context into account, it would appear your intent is to try and offend to make a point that I would be offended. So can you honestly claim you don't mean to offend?

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Re: What are your opinions on the "big issue" of today? (not a troll thread)
« Reply #513 on: March 30, 2011, 09:41:43 pm »

... Look, you aren't gay.  Who cares about "should and shouldn't?"  It does offend.
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Re: What are your opinions on the "big issue" of today? (not a troll thread)
« Reply #514 on: March 30, 2011, 09:43:04 pm »

... Look, you aren't gay.  Who cares about "should and shouldn't?"  It does offend.

Thus why you still shouldn't use the word in such a way. Still does not mean to imply intent, or that this phrased is charged with hate, once again what I am debating, and anything you nail on the side is your own business.

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Re: What are your opinions on the "big issue" of today? (not a troll thread)
« Reply #515 on: March 30, 2011, 09:44:06 pm »

No, it obviously doesn't imply intent.

I believe it still constitutes hate speech, which is independent of intent.
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Re: What are your opinions on the "big issue" of today? (not a troll thread)
« Reply #516 on: March 30, 2011, 09:45:17 pm »

Intent is important, but it's not the only category a word is judged upon. Words have many properties and any one of them can be offensive.

In this case it's the word's origins.
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Re: What are your opinions on the "big issue" of today? (not a troll thread)
« Reply #517 on: March 30, 2011, 09:45:27 pm »

I'm saying the intent is to degrade my computer by associating it with something that is assumed to be inherently bad.
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« Reply #518 on: March 30, 2011, 09:47:33 pm »

I'm saying the intent is to degrade my computer by associating it with something that is assumed to be inherently bad.

Well, if you are sure that your not just looking for a fulcrum for your argument in this fun little debate, I have no problem with that.

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« Reply #519 on: March 30, 2011, 09:52:56 pm »

I'm saying the intent is to degrade my computer by associating it with something that is assumed to be inherently bad.
Well, if you are sure that your not just looking for a fulcrum for your argument in this fun little debate, I have no problem with that.

Why did you not answer me when I asked that?

Okay, the point is you ether have lower self esteem then others or care about others thoughts about you less then most.
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« Reply #520 on: March 30, 2011, 09:55:35 pm »

If somebody doesn't mean to offend me, why should I feel offended? Japa has said that she isn't using this term because she thinks any less of me, so why do I care?

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« Reply #521 on: March 30, 2011, 09:58:09 pm »

I can call you all sorts of insults without meaning to offend you. That does not mean they should not offend you.
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Re: What are your opinions on the "big issue" of today? (not a troll thread)
« Reply #522 on: March 30, 2011, 09:58:56 pm »

Japa is male.
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« Reply #523 on: March 30, 2011, 09:59:51 pm »

Japa is male.

The avatar is confusing the people that did not know him before it apparently.
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« Reply #524 on: March 30, 2011, 10:02:32 pm »

If somebody doesn't mean to offend me, why should I feel offended? Japa has said that she isn't using this term because she thinks any less of me, so why do I care?

I'm not explicitly trying to offend you, I'm just trying to offend something else by comparing it with you.

As for pronouns, anything's fine as long as you don't invent something like hir.
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