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[Gamerboy4life]

Eh, I don't really like EVE myself.

Pay like 15 bucks a month to lose your sanity about upgrading skills so you can upgrade more skills so you can mount a new laser on your ship.

I love these types of games as much as the next guy, but I'm not going to pay 15 bucks a month for it. Back to X3 for me.

[LordBucket]

Eh, I don't really like EVE myself.

I liked Eve, but disliked that being a pirate and generally flying around making people's day miserable was the only way to be successful. Also, the skill system while basically decent, suffered badly from diminishing returns. I once recall taking a real life vacation for a month to train a piloting skill by one level.

Designing a game such that not playing for a month is a viable and effective strategy for improving your character just isn't a good way to encourage people to play.

Combine that with high end ships that, as of when I was last an active player, the only way to realistically get enough ISK to buy them was to sell PLEX...once I got to the point that I was thinking things like "Gee, if I pay $60 and don't log on for a couple months...I'll be able to fly a better ship" ...that was about the time I decided to stop playing.

[Lysabild]

Above stories only tell me people go into this game with a weird attitude.

[LordBucket]

Above stories only tell me people go into this game with a weird attitude.

How do you mean?

[Detritus]

I think he means that you shouldn't play EVE if you only play to max out your character (you can't) or get enough ISK for that next ship you really want. Does the game magically become more fun when you train the skill or get the ship? Nope. I just think it's about enjoying the game overall even if you have a set goal in mind. You can have insanely amount of fun in PvP even if you are a total nooblet if you join things like Red vs. Blue. Find a nice corp and suddenly doing missions (and heck, even boring as shit stuff like mining) becomes a lot more fun and profitable. Or maybe you're lucky and you find a bunch of likeminded people who want to explore and find a wormhole to use as a suitable home, selling stuff whenever the exit brings them to and keeping others at bay by trying to collapse the thing in inhospitable space. And most of high end ships suddenly become a lot more viable options to fly if you're part of a big corporation or alliance.

But as said, you shouldn't play the game only to gather space money or get too focused on how slow it is to train skills.

[dragonshardz]

I think he means that you shouldn't play EVE if you only play to max out your character (you can't) or get enough ISK for that next ship you really want. Does the game magically become more fun when you train the skill or get the ship? Nope. I just think it's about enjoying the game overall even if you have a set goal in mind. You can have insanely amount of fun in PvP even if you are a total nooblet if you join things like Red vs. Blue. Find a nice corp and suddenly doing missions (and heck, even boring as shit stuff like mining) becomes a lot more fun and profitable. Or maybe you're lucky and you find a bunch of likeminded people who want to explore and find a wormhole to use as a suitable home, selling stuff whenever the exit brings them to and keeping others at bay by trying to collapse the thing in inhospitable space. And most of high end ships suddenly become a lot more viable options to fly if you're part of a big corporation or alliance.

But as said, you shouldn't play the game only to gather space money or get too focused on how slow it is to train skills.

A lot of people go into EVE with the expectation that it is like WoW - that bigger or more expensive is better.

The truth is, a ten day old character in a hero tackle frigate is worth far more than a ten year old character who can fly everything but doesn't know how to fly it well. EVE is more about the player's skill with his abilities than about the abilities themselves.

[intense]

you mean circling the enemies from the optimum range of your guns?
it took me more then 10 years to master
player skills is overkill

[Lysabild]

you mean circling the enemies from the optimum range of your guns?
it took me more then 10 years to master
player skills is overkill

With a tackle, which means he can't flee, he can't hit you due to your speed and you're slowly eating him with short range weaponry.

[Dakorma]

Eh, I don't really like EVE myself.

I liked Eve, but disliked that being a pirate and generally flying around making people's day miserable was the only way to be successful. Also, the skill system while basically decent, suffered badly from diminishing returns. I once recall taking a real life vacation for a month to train a piloting skill by one level.

Designing a game such that not playing for a month is a viable and effective strategy for improving your character just isn't a good way to encourage people to play.

Combine that with high end ships that, as of when I was last an active player, the only way to realistically get enough ISK to buy them was to sell PLEX...once I got to the point that I was thinking things like "Gee, if I pay $60 and don't log on for a couple months...I'll be able to fly a better ship" ...that was about the time I decided to stop playing.

Herro there, I'm someone who plays EVE occasionally. Right now I can't because my computer is having issues running it. When I'm active and in my proper corp, I can make around 3 billion isk in a day. C6 wormholes with a static C5 wormhole are the way to go. Other than that, if you are willing to take the 3 months to skill an alt into a jump freighter and anchoring, you can have a massively successful moon mining empire in low sec, or null sec where it's really profitable. If you do it correctly you can make something like 4 billion isk a day and only have to manage the PoSes every other day. PLEX is just a way to avoid tedium, and is highly inefficient for gaining isk... But I thank people like you friend, for your contribution to keeping my 2-6(Depending on if/who I want to spai on at any given time) accounts running fully for free, because I unlike people who simply sell plex to fill their wallet, am willing put the effort into isk generation.

Other semi-profitable endevours include station trading, put in a buy order for a low price, sell for a profit, get annoyed because CCP hasn't cracked down on trading bots yet and before the page refreshes from posting the sell order you will be undercut by .01 isk.

[dragonshardz]

you mean circling the enemies from the optimum range of your guns?
it took me more then 10 years to master
player skills is overkill

With a tackle, which means he can't flee, he can't hit you due to your speed and you're slowly eating him with short range weaponry.

Not to mention, if he can't hit you and can't run, you can hold him until your loyal compatriots arrive and blow him to smithereens.

Or until HIS loyal compatriots arrive and do the explody bit to you.

[Scoops Novel]

Whats on the horizon, update wise?

[kaenneth]

Release the Drones!

[Bdthemag]

Just got this game and I have about 60 days of gametime, I'm having fun so far. I have two career agents done, and as soon as I get a third one done I'll probably apply for the Eve University Corp. Not really sure what I want to do as a future career, but I'm sure I'll figure it out eventually. I assume that Bay12 doesn't really have a Corp though, right?

[Imofexios]

No it does not and higly unlikely ever be.
Do all career agent missions and enjoy the fun being new player in EVE.
Just do remember that the skills starts to take time to train in few weeks so figure something interesting to do while waiting
EvEUni is good place to start but there is allso RED vS BlUE which is higly popular amongst new players allso.
I wish i had my PC up so could play again :/

[Chattox]

So how accurate is the stereotype that this game feels more like a business venture than a game?