You claimed you make 400m isk a day from PI on 8 alts.
Can you back that statement up with raw data?
I don't doubt his claims, but what MoLAoS is doing is sort of an extreme case. It's not representative of what most people can reasonably expect.
Also, while I'm sure he'll be in soon enough to give exact numbers, if I've read what he's doing correctly, he's not using "8 alts." he's using
8 accounts full of alts. 8 accoutns * 3 characters = 24 characters doing PI. If you're using one character, immediately divide that 400 million/day by 24 so you're comparing the same thing. That's only 16 million/day per character.
The next thing to remember is that he's doing this in nullsec, which has higher resource production rates. If you're doing this in highsec, you're likely to need more extractors to keep your processing running 24/7, which means a less efficient operation overall.
from what I understood my setups are garbage as well.
When I first started the big mistake I made was making excessively long connections. Longer connection eat more power which means fewer structures. So it helps to cluster things together.
Take a look
here and scroll down towards the bottom for some examples.
The other big issue is planet and commodity selection. If you pick a planet at random and manufacture based on what resources it produces, odds are fairly high that the planet you chose at random might not be capable of producing anything on its own of much value. And the things that it can possibly contribute to making that are valuable probably require specific commodities from specific other planets. If you pick any two planets at random, the odds of them toegther producing something you probably want also aren't great.
Here's a
chartBut there are
lots of possible commodities to choose from, and market conditions might vary so I'm hesitant to say "just make x." Also, complexity of manufacture can help or hinder you. For example, if you insist on making high tier, say...Integrity Response Drones which eve-central lists as having a ~1.4 million/each Jita buy order price, that sounds great, right? But those require resources from
six different planet types to make. Not only does that mean a lot of personal time investment from you to coordinate and ferry commodities around, the odds of finding all six of those planet types in any one system are fairly slim, meaning you might end up on complicted system A --> B --> C --> A --> D --> B routes between planets to make sure that each processor has the resource type it needs.
But then if you decide to go simple, like say...make exclusively mechanical parts because they require base and noble metals which can both be found on plasma planets, then assuming your PI skills are high enough to accomodate six planets, what are the odds of finding a system with 6 plasma worlds?
Where you are and what planet types you have available influences what you produce. And yes, you can choose systems based on planet types, but again...it's a lot more complicated and there are more profitable chocies than simply "produce X, it's great." Check the planet types within a couple jumps of where you plan on doing PI, check which resources are available, and check prices on
eve central to see what's profitable to make.
How do you do PI properly?
I think that depends on your goal. For example, I wouldn't do what MoLAoS is doing because he's spending multiple hours a day doing PI. Do you want to spend hours every day to fund 8 accounts? Or do you want something you can casually do ten minutes a day for an easy extra 100-200 million isk/month? Or do you want to plex your account every month?
If you want to simply casually do PI in highsec, only log in for 5 minutes a day to reset extractors and then spend an hour or two ferrying goods around once a week, I can personally confirm that 100 million isk/month is attainable. At least as of ~6 months ago when I last bothered doign PI. More than that is certainly possible, but again, what are your goals? What kind of time investment are you willing to put in? How much time are you willing to stare at spreadsheets? Are you willing to watch the market and stockpile commodities when their current market value is low? Are you willing to relocate your character to a more suitable system? Are you willing to grind faction standings to reduce broker's fees? Will you be selling at maret price or placing sell orders and adjusting them regularly? How much time are you willing to spend ferrying goods between your planets? Are you willing to log on every four hours every day every week to reset extractors, only once a day, or only a couple times per week? The shorter their cycle the more efficient they are. If you're using 3 day extraction cycles you collect fewer resources than if you're using 12 hour extraction cycles. But are you really willing to log on twice a day every day?
If you want to PLEX every month, you'll probably need to do it in low or null, and not only train PI skill on your main, but also fill up both alt slots on your account with PI characters too. Keep in mind that three characters each with level 5 Interplanetary Consolidation skill means you might be managing as many as
eighteen planets.
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