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[dirty foot]

Beyond that minor gripe, the injury system is great and I don't see the problem. A few good stabs to the chest leaves your victim writhing on the ground. If you choose to keep hacking at his *iron helm* until you finally win the RNG lottery, that's your choice. All I can say to an adventurer is maim and move on, then go back when you've cleared out the immediate surroundings.

do you have experience of the previous system? did you read the first post?

previously it was possible to receive a mortal wound, fight on for a minute and then die

now 99% of the time, a wound instantly kills you, or the wound stops bleeding at the speed of superhuman healing and you will not die from it. its possible to have almost every bone broken, your skin and interior organs mashed to paste and still live- as long as it happens gradually over a period of time (eg. 5 minutes of constant play) and not all at once. only damage to the head and heart actually has the capacity to kill. this is a major step back from the previous system, and is not remotely realistic. to clarify, I am not saying the DF inury system is bad- its the best of any game of its kind- I'm saying its broken, if fixed is the realism we had previously.

The best way to fix this is to add a numerical value to bleeding (one for internal, and one for external), then tie these numbers to a set amount of blood. Dwarves can't possibly be made of infinite blood, so this would be "realistic" while also giving at least some way to attach a value to damage taken. It would also increase the need for a system designed for bandaging oneself. They could even expand upon this and add symptoms for certain amounts of blood lost, i.e., feeling faint, getting weaker, passing out., etc., etc.

Of course, this is an ego-tripping fantasy game, so dwarves should probably regain blood faster than people do in real life.

[Necalli]

Currently, I see three main issues in current ADV. mode injury system:
1) Damaged fingers/thumbs don't heal at all. Why?
2) Infections can't be cured, thus spreading easily. My present character is infected from head to toe, and I can't do anything about it :U
3) Spine/neck or skull fractures (without nervous damage) has small to no effect on the injured, although, in fact, these are extremely dangerous. Same applies to internal organs - one can't possibly fight with their liver/kidney torn apart, no matter how tough they are.

[TurkeyXIII]

If you want more pain and blood from deep wounds, there's a mod by a med student which alters the properties of a tissues and such. 

http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=71494

[Angel Of Death]

I kinda like the unrealisticness. It makes DF seem a bit more visceral and gamelike.

[Toybasher]

Broken bones cause too much pain, a superhuman adv can shrug off missing limbs without even the yellow pain icon but once he breaks a thumb or rib he will pass out many times. (4+)


****ing pain in the ass when your superhuman adv dies from a goblin cause he got a broken finger or something and fainted.

[Chronas]

The best way to fix this is to add a numerical value to bleeding (one for internal, and one for external), then tie these numbers to a set amount of blood. Dwarves can't possibly be made of infinite blood, so this would be "realistic" while also giving at least some way to attach a value to damage taken. It would also increase the need for a system designed for bandaging oneself. They could even expand upon this and add symptoms for certain amounts of blood lost, i.e., feeling faint, getting weaker, passing out., etc., etc.

Of course, this is an ego-tripping fantasy game, so dwarves should probably regain blood faster than people do in real life.

Creatures do have a limited amount of blood and die when it is gone. and they do become faint then pale when they start to run low. and every tissue has a token saying just how much it bleeds when ruptured.
I do agree with the need for field surgery, though; and i think the game would be a lot more balanced if the [VASCULAR:#] token was upped on semi-vital organs and the velocity of blunt objects increased to do more useful damage.
Both of those, as well as adding a joint to the neck (allowing it to be broken, surprisingly realistically) can be changed via the raws.
The only thing requiring Toady's input is the healthcare and the inclusion of a theoretical [GRASP_STEP:#] body token, allowing damage to the arm or joints to affect the ability of a creature to use/hold a weapon.

[SeriousConcentrate]

What numbers do you use? I want to do those modifications but I don't know what numbers are appropriate.

[Deon]

The main problem with the current system is moddable. Creatures are not made out of bones, muscles etc. in DF, they are made out of MUCH tougher materials which instantly regenerate. They are like superheroes. If you want to know what I mean, try to play Genesis (it's not an advertisement), I increased bleeding rates 10-20x times and decreased regeneration a bit, and now fights are much more realistic. However there's really nothing we can do with unarmed combat which is sometimes more letal than weapons.

[Miko19]

Slicing someone in half, cutting of his testicles&phallus (I am serious) and biting the throat then ripping it out work successfully for me.

[Joost66]

I have no idea what you people are talking about.

I have a sylvan elf adventerer guy going who killed a dragon in an epic fight with a spellwood club. (Or rather he beat the dragon into unconciousness and it passed out.) He went from Legendary Maceman 26 to 34. I was literally jumping up and down in pure glee.

Eventully I got bored used his knife to cut the throat.

wait... wait wait... How do you slit your own throat? I must know...

[1v0ry_k1ng]

lol anyone who didnt play DF in 2009 or earlier has no idea what I am talking about here

[Ganthan]

Actually, I'm pretty sure bleeding is already cumulative since a creature reaches faint and then pale and then eventually dies from it.  In fact that's a strategy I often use against night creatures and such.  Try to cut out a leg, then keep out of its reach until it finishes bleeding out.  When it's done bleeding, move in, give it another slash, then back away and let it bleed.  If anything passes out, slash its throat.  I have never ever seen a creature with blood survive the throat being cut more than a few turns.  I once hit a bandit in the throat with a single bow shot and he still bled to death in short order.

[Vorthon]

If a bone is broken, it would be interesting to see, for example a rib, go through an organ.

That already happens, somewhat frequently even. The only way a hammerdude can kill you right now is a headbash, or a lucky shot to the torso that blasts a rib through your heart/lungs. Or maybe break the upper spine, resulting in total paralysis and suffocation, but that falls under a headbash.

Hell, I was testing a race of large reptilian humanoids (Size 700000 or thereabouts IIRC) for a mod I was working on, and I hit a human peasant (Was adv. mode testing) in the upper body (I was unarmed... Can't remember whether it was a hit or a kick), and I managed to jam one rib through another, and in that same strike, jam that whole mess through the poor fellow's heart. It was awesome.

[Krath]

Smashing someone's throat with a Steel Warhammer should not cause bruising, it should smash in their Adam's Apple, causing painful suffocation.

[Shook]

YES. Or, at the very least, break their necks. A mere karate chop to the neck in real life can knock you out cold, so a swung warhammer ought to do a bit more than bruise it, especially if swung directly at the throat. If i'm not horrendously wrong (which happens too often for my own liking), the neck happens to be chock full of veins and nerves, and let's not forget the windpipe and spine. It goes without saying that blunt trauma to any of those would be agonizing/paralyzing/lethal.

@Vorthon: Hell yeah, it's glorious when stuff like that happens. We should start calling it rib jazz because they jam so much.
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