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Sowelu

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Re: Manning charged.
« Reply #60 on: March 03, 2011, 06:41:46 pm »
Never said he was a hero...just that most countries you think of being "civilized" wouldn't even apply the death penalty for that.
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Re: Manning charged.
« Reply #61 on: March 03, 2011, 06:47:15 pm »
He committed treason well aware that he was risking his life. He wasn't aware of how little things have changed because of his "sacrifice". Frankly it was just dumb.
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Re: Manning charged.
« Reply #62 on: March 03, 2011, 06:48:35 pm »
Quote from: Urist is dead tome on March 03, 2011, 06:47:15 pm
He committed treason well aware that he was risking his life. He wasn't aware of how little things have changed because of his "sacrifice". Frankly it was just dumb.
Pretty much this. Less because of the treason and more because he was stupid enough to get caught.
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Re: Manning charged.
« Reply #63 on: March 03, 2011, 06:49:05 pm »
The U.S. isn't very different from China.  They just use different methods to achieve the same goals.

China uses direct, iron-fisted information control.  They don't want their people to know something, that knowledge simply disappears and anyone who digs it up again also disappears.  This is a very volatile formula.  Screw it up, and there is nothing you can say or do afterwards.  It just explodes in your face, and you have to clean up the mess.

The U.S. uses marginalization, distraction, and cultivated apathy.  This is a much more resilient methodology.  Information is out there, but nobody pays any attention or they pay attention to the wrong things.  When someone manages to put a bright spotlight on something unfavorable, all the same methods can still be effectively employed in damage control.  Nothing really needs to change.  Plus, you don't look as bad when you can say "So what?  This isn't telling you anything new......." or even go as far as blaming the victims for having the qualities that you cultivated in them.
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Re: Manning charged.
« Reply #64 on: March 03, 2011, 06:50:41 pm »
His heart was in the right place. Therefore his brain wasn't. Simple as that.
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« Reply #65 on: March 03, 2011, 06:51:50 pm »
Quote from: Urist is dead tome on March 03, 2011, 06:50:41 pm
His heart was in the right place. Therefore his brain wasn't. Simple as that.
QFT.
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« Reply #66 on: March 03, 2011, 06:54:36 pm »
Quote from: Darvi on March 03, 2011, 06:48:35 pm
Less because of the treason and more because he was stupid enough to get caught.

Quote from: Urist is dead tome on March 03, 2011, 06:50:41 pm
His heart was in the right place. Therefore his brain wasn't. Simple as that.

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Re: Manning charged.
« Reply #67 on: March 03, 2011, 06:55:15 pm »
Quote from: SalmonGod on March 03, 2011, 06:54:36 pm
Quote from: Darvi on March 03, 2011, 06:48:35 pm
Less because of the treason and more because he was stupid enough to get caught.

Quote from: Urist is dead tome on March 03, 2011, 06:50:41 pm
His heart was in the right place. Therefore his brain wasn't. Simple as that.

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Re: Manning charged.
« Reply #68 on: March 03, 2011, 07:04:36 pm »
Honestly, the most interesting thing I've learnt about this whole affair is how goddamn callous and brutal some people can be.  A lot of the rhetoric used on Manning is borderline fascist.

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I think, he needs to be left in Iraq. At least one of our 'informants' will be able to take care of him.

If the informant wasn't shot and killed already that is.
I would like a link to a source showing that informants have been put at risk by this, or a source for the reaver drone locations mentioned earlier.  I mean this honestly, as I haven't seen anything like that anywhere (and I've read plenty of 8 page spreads on the subject).
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« Reply #69 on: March 03, 2011, 07:05:41 pm »
Quote from: SalmonGod on March 03, 2011, 06:54:36 pm
Quote from: Darvi on March 03, 2011, 06:48:35 pm
Less because of the treason and more because he was stupid enough to get caught.

Quote from: Urist is dead tome on March 03, 2011, 06:50:41 pm
His heart was in the right place. Therefore his brain wasn't. Simple as that.

faith... in humanity... fading... soul... turning to... ice...

You might say humanity...

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« Reply #70 on: March 03, 2011, 07:07:51 pm »
I'm really sorry I come off as brutal. It's because I was raised in a gun friendly environment. I think I need to be rehabilitated.
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Re: Manning charged.
« Reply #71 on: March 03, 2011, 07:11:08 pm »
Borderline fascist? Urist is dead tome called himself a fascist earlier. They are downright fascists.
And that's the new America for you : screw net neutrality, you have Murdoch news network.
To every poeple in America who like it's freedom : if you don't fight right now you're dead.
And to everybody in Europe, same thing. You cannot afford not to care.
But we're slowly getting there in Europe, partly thanks to Manning.
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Re: Manning charged.
« Reply #72 on: March 03, 2011, 07:12:26 pm »
Quote from: Phmcw on March 03, 2011, 07:11:08 pm
Borderline fascist? Urist is dead tome called himself a fascist earlier. They are downright fascists.
And that's the new America for you : screw net neutrality, you have Murdoch news network.
To every poeple in America who like it's freedom : if you don't fight right now you're dead.
And to everybody in Europe, same thing. You cannot afford not to care.
But we're slowly getting there in Europe, partly thanks to Manning.

I blame the media.
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Re: Manning charged.
« Reply #73 on: March 03, 2011, 07:28:13 pm »
That's the other part of New Fascism. Not taking responsibility either.
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Re: Manning charged.
« Reply #74 on: March 03, 2011, 09:24:08 pm »
Quote from: nenjin on March 03, 2011, 07:28:13 pm
That's the other part of New Fascism. Not taking responsibility either.

Hell, I'll take responsibility. What do they need someone to do, pull a lever or something?
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