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Socialist

17 (33.3%)

Green

8 (15.7%)

Peace and Freedom

2 (3.9%)

Democratic

1 (2%)

Transhumanist

11 (21.6%)

Libertarian

8 (15.7%)

Republican

2 (3.9%)

Constitution

2 (3.9%)

Total Members Voted: 50

[Frumple]

94% Socialist
93% Green
92% Peace and Freedom
91% Democratic
90% Transhumanist
49% Libertarian
16% Republican
16% Constitution

Yeah, that... isn't a surprise, save maybe that it seems to be suggesting peace and freedom and transhumanist are actual political parties. If they are I hadn't noticed :V

[scriver]

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

So did anyone else get to the question of "What attributes do you want to see in a president" in the end and just select the lot of them?

[wierd]

Apparently I am a transhumanist.


So, where do go to get my fancy new synthetic body?

[delphonso]

Uplifted octopus bod or I riot

[Egan_BW]

So did anyone else get to the question of "What attributes do you want to see in a president" in the end and just select the lot of them?

I selected none of them, because they're all meaningless buzzwords at this point.

[SalmonGod]

94% Socialist
94% Green
92% Peace and Freedom
89% Transhumanist
88% Democratic
48% Libertarian
21% Constitution
15% Republican

Pretty sure I'd heard of the Peace and Freedom Party before, but not a Transhumanist Party

[scriver]

So did anyone else get to the question of "What attributes do you want to see in a president" in the end and just select the lot of them?

I selected none of them, because they're all meaningless buzzwords at this point.

"Fashion sense" was my favourite

[pisskop]

Spoiler: No surprises here, a centrist with an interest in more concise government (click to show/hide)

85% Constitution
Assimilation • Small Government • Decentralization • Nationalism • Religious • Traditional • Anthropocentrism • Deregulation • Laissez-faire

83% Republican
Individualism • Traditional • Right Wing • Small Government • Tough • Militarism • Capitalism • Anthropocentrism

63% Libertarian
Decentralization • Libertarian • Individualism • Unilateralism • Isolationism • Capitalism • Deregulation

40% Transhumanist
Democracy • Politically Correct • Globalism • Progressive • Pacifism • Left Wing • Privacy • Decentralization • Multiculturalism • Collectivism • Tender

21% Peace and Freedom
Big Government • Democracy • Environmentalism • Keynesian • Politically Correct • Tender • Progressive • Left Wing • Globalism • Centralization • Democratic Socialism

19% Green
Left Wing • Secular • Collectivism • Tender • Progressive • Regulation • Multiculturalism • Politically Correct • Isolationism • Pacifism

18% Democratic
Big Government • Multiculturalism • Collectivism • Left Wing • Politically Correct • Environmentalism • Democracy • Globalism

17% Socialist
Big Government • Progressive • Multiculturalism • Secular • Collectivism • Isolationism • Democracy • Keynesian

Spoiler: I answered (most) of the questions (click to show/hide)

73% Republican

62% Constitution

53% Transhumanist

48% Libertarian

42% Democratic

38% Peace and Freedom

36% Green

36% Socialist

So I redid the test, answered most of the questions.  A lot of it is mired in things I admittedly dont know enough about, such as the state of the estate tax and how I should feel about it, or the intricacies of immigration.  I mean, I know _what_ the estate tax is, and _how_ _much_ it is, but I dont know how it affects government spending or income when compared to the other options.  I have very broad understanding of what people say or think about whether states should set their own border policies, but not really the numbers or informed data to pour over and say 'why yes, this is the right answer'.

I feel like a lot of people will kneejerk answers out that wont make practical sense, which makes it even more frustrating to me.  Ive always felt like a major disadvantage of the dichotomic is that people are less informed over the details of their affiliated parties.

Maybe Im over-thinking this though.  Maybe I am just 'too smart for my own good', as some at my workplace have suggested...

[A Thing]

So did anyone else get to the question of "What attributes do you want to see in a president" in the end and just select the lot of them?

I selected none of them, because they're all meaningless buzzwords at this point.

"Fashion sense" was my favourite

"They can do horrid shit just look fashionable while doing it."

[Loud Whispers]

"They can do horrid shit just look fashionable while doing it."

How else would Nazism make a comeback

[MorleyDev]

A bit off since I have to roll back lots of my opinions to meet the furthest they could go in the USA (As LW said, no option for a true Nationalised Health Care system), but:

96% - Democratic
96% - Green
96% - Socialist
94% - Women’s Equality
93% - Peace and Freedom
92% - Transhumanist
33% - Libertarian
3% - Constitution
1% - Republican

1 whole percentage Republican? I feel dirty. Apparantly Republicans are also pro mandatory vaccination of children?

Also I continue to find it utterly fucking horrifying that things like "Should teachers carry guns" is even a political topic in the USA. Like seriously, what the actual fuck guys?

[wierd]

As somebody who has a medical history of adverse reaction to vaccination, I want to **VERY VERY STRONGLY** point out that "mandatory" vaccination, as blanket "NO, YOU CANT HAVE ANY EXCUSE EVAR!! " matter of principle, is how you kill people in the most horrible of ways, purely for a political position.


As somebody that sees idiots abuse medical exemptions for bullshit reasons (that simply translate to "it makes my butt hurt to have to get vaccinated!"), I totally get why you would want to clamp that shit down tight.  The situation with the measles epidemic and pals, rightly needs to get shut down.

However, I also strongly remember *EVERY GODDAMN YEAR* I was in public school as a kid, the school administration would "DISCOVER!!" that I had not received all of my early childhood immunizations, then just have their goddamn brains shut off and fail to continue reading *WHY*.   Long and sordid story cut short:  My early childhood immunity shots nearly fucking killed me.  Left me with neurological damage in my left eye, that took years of retraining to correct.  I was fucking lucky as hell that is *ALL* it did-- considering I experienced grand-mal siezures, and a deadly-high fever as a consequence of the adverse reaction.  A good portion of the people who do experience these rare reactions end up mentally retarded, wheelchair bound, or worse.

Now then--  When somebody has a fucking *REAL* medical reason not to immunize, Please don't roll your eyes at it, M'kay?  Please dont promulgate the falsehood that every child must always 100% be immunized, no exceptions.  I realize that it's tempting in the face of the doucheholes that abuse medical exemption; but medical exemption exists for a reason.  Clamping down politically only would have made it impossible for me to attend school at all, rather than requiring (YET A FUCKING AGAIN) my family to bury the school administration under documented history of life threatening adverse reaction.  (which they seemed to conveniently misplace every year.)

Considering how often I was literally harassed by the school system over this as a child, and how much WORSE it is now, when I see "Mandatory Immunizations! RAAAA!!" as a political point, I get triggered.

I am not anti-vaxx;  Vaccination is very safe, and very effective.  That does not mean it is 100% safe, and for those people that DO INDEED have a history of adverse reactions, going full retard because that's what it says on the paper, is how you get people killed.

Thx, Bai.

[MorleyDev]

Sorry it wasn't clear, but by mandatory I meant "If you don't have a clear defined and doctor-supported medical reason not to be vaccinated". That it wouldn't include that exclusion didn't even occur to me, hence why I didn't feel the need to specify it.

Speaking as a Brit with a nationalised health service and all that where a medical exception would come from an actual state-paid-for GP, and where seeking vaccination currently isn't a legal requirement and just a thing that decent parents do, so this may be a cultural clash in terms of understanding what the term 'mandatory vaccination' is taken to mean. I meant it as "a parent can't choose not to vaccinate a child, that decision must be made by a doctor".

The reason it should be mandatory for everyone else is in part because it protects those people who medically can't and are thus vulnerable after all

My point was that given their general 'less state involvement', 'mah freedoms' stance, it was surprising to me that the Republican opinion wouldn't be that "vaccination is a personal choice and shouldn't be required on the grounds of something something freedom".

[SalmonGod]

I'm not anti-vaxx.  But I am also suspicious of the precedent set in regards to government power over bodily autonomy.  Set the precedent that intrusive medical procedures can be mandated for a greater good purpose, and it may be for an actual good now.  But the stage is set for the next bad regime that comes along to use that precedent for something bad, so long as they can lie and claim it's just another thing for the greater good.  Plenty of real examples in living memory.

By all means, mock stupid anti-vaxxers all you want.  I resent them forcing the issue to the point of mandate being a real political question.  But once authoritarianism is advanced for any reason, it can't be walked back without sacrifice, and it won't always be on your side.

[wierd]

In the US, (which is infamous for its absurd lawsuits), public schools have instituted "Mandatory vaccination" policies ages ago.  This is the crux of my triggered-ness.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2553651/


Basically, because people in the US are *ALSO* infamously fucking stupid, at least as it relates to religion and the like, exemption was permitted for bullshit reasons, while people with real reasons often got given the run-around.  Again, the "We require all students to be vaccinated before they can enroll" is a bureaucrat's wet dream. It leads to the kind of situation I was mentioning, where we would have to drop doctor's orders on the fuckers *EVERY MOTHERFUCKING YEAR*, then have a day-long consultation with the school administration that -- YES-- I have not magically been given a brand new body that is no longer sensitized to the vaccine-- and thus, NO, *CANNOT TAKE IT*, and *YES*, there *IS* doctor's credentials behind this-- with the school administrations getting progressively more and more white knuckled as they have to back away from the comfort zone they have of 100% compliance with the "as written" requirements.

(which they would then promptly forget about/conveniently lose, just in time for enrollment next year.)


When I see "Mandatory vaccination", I see this bureaucratic bullshit writ large.

This is because the primary driver for such things, is legal absolvement.  Specifically, the requirement is less about keeping students safe, and more about keeping various institutions absolved from legal culpability, which is why it becomes a fucking nightmare, where actually asserting the medical exemption becomes a lesson in futility, as the bureaucrats devise ever-more-onerous means of attempting to reach 100% "exactly as written on paper" compliance. 


See for instance, the following "nightmare scenario"--

Student who cannot be vaccinated against measles, catches measles, and ends up spreading it at school.  Angry mothers DEMAND to know why the school permitted an unvaccinated student there. School has to defend the decision to permit a student who cannot medically be vaccinated to receive an education, in the face of angry mothers who had their kids get sick, and more importantly, their bloodsucking lawyers.

If you throw into that mix actual LAWS requiring vaccinations, then you end up with it getting much much worse for the people who cannot vaccinate.