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[Tyberix]

The problem is you said it was non-valid vote yourself. If you find it wrong in this situation why would you do that ? Also saying how do you feel with my reasonless vote on you is in my opinion great opening for scummy vote leaving on him. Not that akhier is'nt suspicious but that's not valid reason for voting.

Akhier: So what's your guess on what happened to book tonight? You seem changing your opinion pretty frequently. Also please don't go too deep into wifom, i want to hear simple thought.

[Supercharazad]

The problem is you said it was non-valid vote yourself. If you find it wrong in this situation why would you do that ? Also saying how do you feel with my reasonless vote on you is in my opinion great opening for scummy vote leaving on him. Not that akhier is'nt suspicious but that's not valid reason for voting.

Akhier: So what's your guess on what happened to book tonight? You seem changing your opinion pretty frequently. Also please don't go too deep into wifom, i want to hear simple thought.

As I said, it was a non-valid PRESSURE VOTE.

During his reaction, I thought he showed scumminess, so I kept my vote on him. WHY DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND?

[IronyOwl]

As I said, it was a non-valid PRESSURE VOTE.

During his reaction, I thought he showed scumminess, so I kept my vote on him. WHY DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND?

Super. Why haven't we killed him already?

Because I'm town.

Jokerman: Why are you voting me without reason?

OMGUS, just sayin'

How is it an OMGUS? I FoS'd him ecause he acted scummy, by random voting.

As you yourself have claimed earlier, OMGUSing someone when they're actually scummy isn't really an OMGUS. Since you admit your reason for voting him was nonexistent, it makes perfect sense for him to OMGUS you back, and thus isn't a scumtell.

Hence, you're bandwagoning using a self-fulfilling prophecy.

[Akhier the Dragon hearted]

Akhier: So what's your guess on what happened to book tonight? You seem changing your opinion pretty frequently. Also please don't go too deep into wifom, i want to hear simple thought.

   I have not been changing my guess about what happened to book. He was phased out for the day somehow. Anything else is just guessing until someone says they did it.

[JanusTwoface]

Been away this weekend (obviously).

I'll have a nice solid post up in the next few hours or tomorrow morning.

[Toaster]

Vote Count:

Darvi:
Org: IronyOwl, JanusTwoface
Tyberix:
Akhier the Dragon hearted: Darvi, Ottofar, Supercharazad
Ottofar:
JanusTwoface:
Supercharazad: Akhier the Dragon hearted
IronyOwl:
Jokerman-EXE:


Not Voting: Org, Jokerman-EXE, Tyberix


Day 3 will last until 11 PM EST on Tuesday, 3/15

[Supercharazad]

As I said, it was a non-valid PRESSURE VOTE.

During his reaction, I thought he showed scumminess, so I kept my vote on him. WHY DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND?

Super. Why haven't we killed him already?

Because I'm town.

Jokerman: Why are you voting me without reason?

OMGUS, just sayin'

How is it an OMGUS? I FoS'd him ecause he acted scummy, by random voting.

As you yourself have claimed earlier, OMGUSing someone when they're actually scummy isn't really an OMGUS. Since you admit your reason for voting him was nonexistent, it makes perfect sense for him to OMGUS you back, and thus isn't a scumtell.

Hence, you're bandwagoning using a self-fulfilling prophecy.

Actully, in that case, it was simply a random vote by Jokerman, as he did not even ask a question with it, other than why don't we lynch me.


Currently, I see Akhierr as scummy and voted him, and that's what really counts, not which type of vote is started off as.

[Jokerman-EXE]

If that's the case then why did you claim it was a random vote? You can't just go back and change your story. Super.

[Supercharazad]

If that's the case then why did you claim it was a random vote? You can't just go back and change your story. Super.

Because, I mistook RVS for Pressure Vote.

[Ottofar]

Oh, right. Someone flamed me. Does anyone want to claim that?

[Akhier the Dragon hearted]

Alright, I suppose I failed at getting some information out of you.

Anyways, Unvote.

Akhier: Your feelings on being voted by three people? What are your scumpicks?

   Well honestly it is my fault for not paying attention
oh one of the rapid revote with no good reason!
   Super, What is your reason for
voting me? You give none so all I see is a bandwagon
from here.

I pressure voted you.

What's with the OMGUS on an obvious pressure vote?

   I am sorry no it was not obvious.

Pressure vote? Why would you put a pressure vote on someone that says, "How do you feel now that this many people are voting for you?" That's not right.

Explain.

I asked for his scumpicks, and I was also looking for his reaction. He voted me (OMGUS), and failed to answer one of my questions, thereby turning my vote into a valid vote with reasons.

He failed to answer a question, he OMGUSd me, there's nobody as suspicious as him in my eyes yet, he's my current vote. Simple as that.

That's pretty circular reasoning here, you voted him without reason practically calling bandwagon and he voted you for that so your vote is now valid ? If i vote you now for something you could do in the future would that be logical ?

I pressure voted him, to see his reaction, and to make sure my question was answered.

Then his reaction showed scumminess, so I decided to keep my vote there, what's wrong with that?

   I answered who my scum pick is by voting you, I am sorry if you mistake voting for someone as not thinking they are scum.

The problem is you said it was non-valid vote yourself. If you find it wrong in this situation why would you do that ? Also saying how do you feel with my reasonless vote on you is in my opinion great opening for scummy vote leaving on him. Not that akhier is'nt suspicious but that's not valid reason for voting.

Akhier: So what's your guess on what happened to book tonight? You seem changing your opinion pretty frequently. Also please don't go too deep into wifom, i want to hear simple thought.

As I said, it was a non-valid PRESSURE VOTE.

During his reaction, I thought he showed scumminess, so I kept my vote on him. WHY DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND?

   Why do you think I am scummy? How can a non-valid pressure vote be enough to go on? You asked what it felt like to have you jump on the bandwagon and who I thought was scum so I said it was partly my fault for not paying attention and voted YOU. Also it is hard to understand you when you have not actually explained anything about why you think I am scummy.

As I said, it was a non-valid PRESSURE VOTE.

During his reaction, I thought he showed scumminess, so I kept my vote on him. WHY DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND?

Super. Why haven't we killed him already?

Because I'm town.

Jokerman: Why are you voting me without reason?

OMGUS, just sayin'

How is it an OMGUS? I FoS'd him ecause he acted scummy, by random voting.

As you yourself have claimed earlier, OMGUSing someone when they're actually scummy isn't really an OMGUS. Since you admit your reason for voting him was nonexistent, it makes perfect sense for him to OMGUS you back, and thus isn't a scumtell.

Hence, you're bandwagoning using a self-fulfilling prophecy.

Actully, in that case, it was simply a random vote by Jokerman, as he did not even ask a question with it, other than why don't we lynch me.


Currently, I see Akhierr as scummy and voted him, and that's what really counts, not which type of vote is started off as.

   So you had already seen me as scummy or something? Why do you think I am scummy?

[Supercharazad]

This is begginning to annoy me.

I pressure voted you, I asked you a question, you OMGUSd me, you didn't answer my question, I'm keeping my vote on you.



It's simple. Why can't anyone see this?

I think you are scummy because:

A: You OMGUSd me.
B: You failed to answer a question. (I asked for your scum PICKS, as in, a list, not an OMGUS vote that you THINK answers it)

As I have no other leads, the vote stays.

[JanusTwoface]

Does it count as morning if you don't get up until after noon?  Anyways:


Here are all of the claimed / confirmed roles and night actions that I found. Let me know if I missed any claims. It's less helpful about figuring out why there wasn't a kill (already a bunch of Roleblocks), but information is always good.

It's less problematic than it normally is because the items are contantly changing. I'm going to go ahead and claim (did in the block below).

Spoiler: Claimed roles / night actions (click to show/hide)

N2 (#478) - Scroll of Paralysis on Book (redirected by Ottofar to Akhier)

Bard (Confirmed by nightkill #358)

N2 (#465) - Wand of Roleblocking on Tyberix

N1 (#360) - Investigated by Superchrazad (town)
N2 (#465) - Roleblocked by Org
N2 (#470) - Wand of Cantrips (blocked)

N2 (#478) - Paralized by Darvi
N2 (#488) - Scroll of Oracle (will take effect tonight)

N2 - Wand of Cantrips (redirected Darvi -> Akhier)
N2 (#534) - "Someone flamed me"

Bard (Claimed #145, confirmed by lynch #357)

N1 - Wand of Monster Detection on IronyOwl (was targeted by Mr.Person)
N2 - Wand of Protection on IronyOwl (was not targeted by a kill)

Priest (Claimed #126)
N1 (#360) - Wand of Cantrips. Investigated Tyberix (town)
N2 (#489) - Scroll of Roleblock on Book

N2 - Missing, why?
N2 (#489) - Roleblocked by Supercharazad

N2 - Scroll of Scare Monster (auto-roleblocks anyone who targeted him)

Warrior (Claimed #432, confirmed by lynch #462)
N1 - No action (Claimed #432)

And now my standard wall of scummy things. Went back through the thread and linked various scummy things.

Spoiler: Scummy things (click to show/hide)

#467 - Ignored IronyOwl's possibility of Book being the target that was brought up just before; doesn't understand what 'missing' means

Not much on him. Feels a little weird today, but other than that probably town.

#49 - Pokes me about policy vote while doing the same'
#54 - Herps. And derps.
#62 - Admits to ninja edit, not necessarily scummy.
#188 - Appears to want special treatment for being Org
#395 - Defending Supercharazad
#511 - Defense by ignoring Supercharazad

Being Orglike. Blocked someone that had been inspected, claiming to not have noticed it.

Quite. Nothing else. Seems townlike enough.

#38 - Misread IronyOwl's post, kept going longer than expected

A mess on the first day between him and IronyOwl, but I do think that Akhier just misread IronyOwl's intention. Could have been done that just as likely as scum or town, so unsure overall.

#183 - Claims more later post tomorrow (so on 1 March); Here at #240 is the result
#260 - Copies Darvi's post back to back, still no later post (it's now 2 March)
#267 - Excuse for no 'more later' post, claims he'll do another tomorrow (which is now 3 March), does finally deliver at #301 on 3 March; better late than never at least

Standard 'more later' posts he always do as scum. He does do them sometimes as town as well, so a bit less of a scumtell in his case.

#82 - First post of the game jumps on me for wanting to survive; not a good scumtell in, more in this case because it was in reponse to being a SK
#88 - Vote jumps to Tyberix for waiting an hour for 'more later post' (overreaction), sticks to my being scummy while ignoring the SK context
#92 - Defends point against me (still ignoring the SK context) and Tyberix's hour, seems overly confrontational; claims OMGUS, but it's not an OMGUS if it's a good point...
#106 - "Replace me" post
#125 - Unprovoked roleclaim
#161 - Red Vote Staging? Also seems to be trying to set up a SaintDraze lynch
#177 - Useless post is ... NOT ACTUALLY USELESS! Asks third rules / terminology question
#234 - Jittery about people not posting in the middle of the night
#236 - Answers a question for SaintDraze
#445-446 - Copies Book, Akhier, and Org to look useful, adds nothing
#514 - "Red Vote Stage"... seriously?

Scattered and inflamitory. Lots of problems day 1. More problems today from miscommunication about RVS. More likely scum than town.

#36 - Charisma of 255, obviously scum (joking)
#78 - Unnessarily strong reaction to Zrk2's comment about flavor
#255 - Finally shows up again, promises more later post
#398 - Distrusts Supercharazad's inspection claim on Tyberix (lining up lynches?); brings up possible staged fight between Akhier / IronyOwl (haven't seen one yet)
#402 - "Will play as little or much as I choose"
#433 - Setting up a lynch, defending Zrk2-wagon

Quiet (before you get mad at me for mentioning it again, you *have* been quieter than normal and have been posting more in

#34 - Pointed question to Org, possibly designed to promote a response

Quiet and admittidly paying less attention than he should. Not sure why he dropped the Akhier case. Leaning town (why I targeted him).

#90 - Parrots Tyberix after only 5 minutes
138 - un-FoS's Supercharazad, not necessary, looks like buddying
#384 - Replaces in quietly, second post is a single line begging for a lynch
#423 - Votes Zrk2 for not backing previous reasons although he never did back his reason for voting Supercharazad

Been too quiet, both before and after replacement. Never did justify the Supercharazad lynch, looks like trying to get in on a probable lynch, jumped to Zrk2-wagon when it didn't work out.

Org seems off, but probably not enough to lynch him. Supercharazad seems suspicious. Book feels unusual, not sure what to think of that. Paniac/Jokerman has been far too quiet.

Overall, unvote and Vote Supercharazad.

This is begginning to annoy me.

I pressure voted you, I asked you a question, you OMGUSd me, you didn't answer my question, I'm keeping my vote on you.

It's simple. Why can't anyone see this?

Part of the reason is that you've had a bit of a problem with terminology. And it's not the first time this game that you've done something off like that and refused to admit you made a mistake.

It wouldn't necessarily be damning, except for all of the hullabaloo Day 1 with accusing me off the bat of the survival thing (which you never did back down on) or Tyberix not posting for an hour (*gasp*). Then being rather more nervous than expected throughout Day 2. All together, pretty scummy. Thus my current vote on you.

[IronyOwl]

Oh, right. Someone flamed me. Does anyone want to claim that?

So you bandwagon Akhier, ask no questions, deliver no content, and then this is all you have to say?

[Darvi]

@Janus: About that post, I honestly don't think that anybody would've NK'd Book, for the same reasons that I don't think anybody would target Joker, but more. I mean, he has been lurky and all that and has been called out on it several times. I doubt scum would let such a scapegoat alive.


@Ottofar: ... flamed? As in insulted? Huh?
Edit: Irony ninja'd me, so no further questions as they are pretty the same as his.


Either way, super really has become more suspicious than usual, what with his throwing around votes like whatnot. However since Akhier's action will take place tonight, I wouldn't want to risk losing another townie. That's why my vote stays on him.
Either he's scum and they lose a NK, or he's town, in which case the NK doesn't happen anyway and it pretty much confirms Books alognment.


Unless somebody blocked or protected somebody without telling us, of course.


Or I have committed a logical fallacy somewhere >_>