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Re: Obama Creates World's First Superstate With US-Canada Merger
« Reply #120 on: February 17, 2011, 05:48:49 pm »

American gov't is society founded on the principles of individual rights and freedoms, not in accordance to the needs of society as a whole; whatever comes about has to work around this principles to be legitimate. :)

I feel like I'm misunderstanding you, and sorry about that (although I do think your posts are a little confusingly phrased), but... are you saying that having to occasionally deal with people who speak a language which you don't is a breach of your rights? Because if so, I'm kind of taking a "deal w/" attitude towards that. The world is full of different languages; be happy that your dominant language is so popular.

My apologies for the confusion.

No, what I am saying here is that having to deal with people who do not speak the "language of default" is a thorn in the side for a culture that has grown up in the absence of that problem hitherto, and poses many challenges to the members of that culture, with whom I can empathize, wrong or right.

Your "deal with it" attitude completely applies, but it isn't much consolation and isn't likely to solicit a friendly response from some of those who do have to deal with, along with a thousand other little technicalities in day-to-day life.
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Re: Obama Creates World's First Superstate With US-Canada Merger
« Reply #121 on: February 17, 2011, 05:50:20 pm »

Honestly, machine translation is still pretty terrible. It may certainly improve a lot in the near future, but I don't know about it successfully accounting for idiomatic language, especially not the kinds of metaphors and cultural references people come up with on the fly regularly.
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Re: Obama Creates World's First Superstate With US-Canada Merger
« Reply #122 on: February 17, 2011, 05:53:50 pm »

Hopefully the Watson project is a sign of better things to come.
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« Reply #123 on: February 17, 2011, 06:06:47 pm »

Slightly off the current tack of the thread, but I'm kind of bemused by the folks a few pages back who are convinced that Canada joining the US would dramatically sway US politics. Canada's estimated population in 2011: ~34 million. US population at last census? 308 million. Essentially you'd end up adding Ontario, Quebec, British Columbia, and Alberta as moderately influential states, and everything else would be on the same level as North Dakota and Alaska for political influence. More people live in California than in all of Canada.

I suppose it's possible that Canada is just so liberal that it skews the power balance. I don't know.
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Re: Obama Creates World's First Superstate With US-Canada Merger
« Reply #124 on: February 17, 2011, 06:07:46 pm »

Population is not all that matters. The fact that you just absorbed an entire country and its culture would matter more than "absorbing a few states".
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Re: Obama Creates World's First Superstate With US-Canada Merger
« Reply #125 on: February 17, 2011, 06:11:39 pm »

I suppose it's possible that Canada is just so liberal that it skews the power balance. I don't know.
It's also worth remembering that these things aren't one way. The United States would get Canada's liberal in their conservative, and Canada would get the US's conservative in their liberal. It probably wouldn't change much of anything.
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Re: Obama Creates World's First Superstate With US-Canada Merger
« Reply #126 on: February 17, 2011, 06:38:38 pm »

Population is not all that matters. The fact that you just absorbed an entire country and its culture would matter more than "absorbing a few states".

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« Reply #127 on: February 17, 2011, 06:39:06 pm »

Point. I'm French-Canadian, I shouldn't have made that mistake!
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Re: Obama Creates World's First Superstate With US-Canada Merger
« Reply #128 on: February 17, 2011, 08:08:14 pm »

I guess there is a case for having one simplified language for everyone to learn, which you can then use to speak to someone who doesn't speak your native tongue.  That is kindof happening with English, though.

Not just with English.  Regional trade languages are nothing new.  Look at IIRC Swahili for an example.
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Re: Obama Creates World's First Superstate With US-Canada Merger
« Reply #129 on: February 18, 2011, 12:49:35 am »

Slightly off the current tack of the thread, but I'm kind of bemused by the folks a few pages back who are convinced that Canada joining the US would dramatically sway US politics. Canada's estimated population in 2011: ~34 million. US population at last census? 308 million. Essentially you'd end up adding Ontario, Quebec, British Columbia, and Alberta as moderately influential states, and everything else would be on the same level as North Dakota and Alaska for political influence. More people live in California than in all of Canada.

I suppose it's possible that Canada is just so liberal that it skews the power balance. I don't know.

The addition of Canada as three or four states would be enough to sway the following presidential elections into the democratic column: 2004, 2000 and maybe 1968 (electoral college deadlock would have lead to the democrat controlled house picking the president)
Half of the republican controlled senates of the past 30rd years would have been democratic controlled senates.
If it shifted the control of the house by just 5.5% towards the democrats (not unreasonable, considering that Canadians would be 1/10th the population and the median Canadian is the left of the democratic party), the republicans would not have held control of the speakers gavel for more then the past 60 years.  During the 80th congress, the GOP would have held the gavel by a sliver but Truman would have been reelected by a comfortable margin.  The signature legislative accomplishments of Nixon and Regan never would have made it through congress and Bush Jr. never would have been president.

Some changes in legislative history that such a shift would entail:
Medicare would apply to all citizens, not only the retired (just like Canada ;))  That's assuming that Truman wouldn't have been able to pass single payer in the early 50s
There would have been no Regan tax cut and probably very little national debt today
The Civil Rights act would have passed about a decade sooner
Cap-and-Trade legislation for carbon emissions would have passed in the last congress
President Gore would not have invaded Iraq
Financial Regulations with actual teeth would have passed after our recent economic meltdown, assuming there would have been a meltdown without the wave of deregulation that started with Regan
The Federal Reserve would have been given sufficient political backing to greatly reduce the severity of our current downturn, instead of being hampered by a bunch of born-again austrians on the board of governors who claimed to fear inflation in the middle of a depression (give me a break!)

Of course, there's the whole butterfly effect.  But saying that Canada's population is "only" 1/10th of the US's is quite silly given the extreme tipping point nature of democracy.  If you shift the partisan nature of the US only a few points in the left direction, you've got enough votes for the country to be a mainstream social democratic country just a little right of center like England.  Tiny shift at the margins matter a lot.
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Re: Obama Creates World's First Superstate With US-Canada Merger
« Reply #130 on: February 18, 2011, 01:55:15 am »

To quote Reagan, "The government is not the solution to our problem; the government is the problem."

Thinking that there's any magical government that can perfectly unite most countries, especially the way the world is today, is absurd.  Any unification of two countries would have to be something that the people would want, not what the government wants.  The biggest problem is the huge amount of opinions that amount to, "My way or...  Wait, there is no other way!"  If people would settle down and take a serious look at opposing views and consider the implications of each, then I think a large amount of the problems that separate not only the US and Canada, but every individual from his neighbor, would be a whole lot easier to get around.

People are just too contrary to form themselves under one government.  It's amazing that a country like the United States has survived so long, all things considered.  I think nationalism plays a huge role in that, as it does in any stable country.  To take that away by merging two countries with so little thought as to the feelings of the people at large would surely splinter both already divided countries.  It would be a disaster, and I bet the leaders of our respective nations know it.

Once people begin to recognize the merit of a conflicting point of view, then we can start talking about unifying nations.  Short of that, we'd need a very large, powerful, alien force to make this world form itself under one government.  Even then, it would be accented by war, decent, and rampant terrorism, because people simply wouldn't understand.  Right now, they - we - just don't want to.
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Re: Obama Creates World's First Superstate With US-Canada Merger
« Reply #131 on: February 18, 2011, 06:38:56 am »

If all the Canadian provinces became US states, the Democrats would probably get at least 16 or 18 guaranteed Senate seats, and Texas would probably split into five states to help make up the difference. Among other things.
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« Reply #132 on: February 18, 2011, 06:57:26 am »

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Yes but that would mean EVERY SINGLE war the USA has taken part in after WW2 has been a sham.
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« Reply #133 on: February 18, 2011, 07:07:59 am »

To quote Reagan, "The government is not the solution to our problem; the government is the problem."
Reagan was batshit insane, and ultimately responsible for many of the problems we have today. That view was the singularly most harmful part of his legacy.
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Re: Obama Creates World's First Superstate With US-Canada Merger
« Reply #134 on: February 18, 2011, 07:32:48 am »

But he and his wife asked an astrologer for advice. How the hell could he have been wrong? I mean, those people being clairvoyant and all.


Thinking that there's any magical government that can perfectly unite most countries, especially the way the world is today, is absurd.

I'm pretty confused by the latter part of this statement. Is the world somehow less cosmopolitan than it was 20, 60, or 300 years ago?
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