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Re: Obama Creates World's First Superstate With US-Canada Merger
« Reply #90 on: February 17, 2011, 12:03:39 pm »

Is this happening before or after California becomes its own country?

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Re: Obama Creates World's First Superstate With US-Canada Merger
« Reply #91 on: February 17, 2011, 12:18:50 pm »

Something about an America/ Canada merger seems deeply hilarious to me.  It'd be like a bad sitcom on an international scale.

But then again, I've always been interested in what would've happened if Britain and France actually did do agree to that bizarre merger suggestion in the 1950s.

For example, what in the heck were the Brits going to do in that era when it came to conquering Russia?
But we fought against them so well in the Crimea!
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« Reply #92 on: February 17, 2011, 12:27:08 pm »

At least a Superstate is being created, since a Mediocre-state would leave much to be desired.
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Re: Obama Creates World's First Superstate With US-Canada Merger
« Reply #93 on: February 17, 2011, 12:28:04 pm »

At least a Superstate is being created, since a Mediocre-state would leave much to be desired.

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Re: Obama Creates World's First Superstate With US-Canada Merger
« Reply #94 on: February 17, 2011, 12:28:28 pm »

At least a Superstate is being created, since a Mediocre-state would leave much to be desired.

*Facepalm*

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Re: Obama Creates World's First Superstate With US-Canada Merger
« Reply #95 on: February 17, 2011, 02:18:13 pm »

Man, the US can't deal with it's own culture clashes, they'd have no god damn hope of surviving the cultureshock of Canada being part of this mess. We have federally mandated gay marriage and universal socialist Health Care and we sure as hell ain't giving it up. We're generally happier for it, and we manage just fine in comparison to the US Deficit.
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Re: Obama Creates World's First Superstate With US-Canada Merger
« Reply #96 on: February 17, 2011, 02:22:39 pm »

We have federally mandated gay marriage

Um...  What you wrote and what you intended are very different, I suspect.

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« Reply #97 on: February 17, 2011, 03:19:07 pm »

Warning, large post, also I swear a little.

The only things stopping me (and probably everyone else) from liking a one world state are:

1. Language barrier, we would need one language for the whole world, or methods of easy translation.

2. Culture barrier, even the differences between Canada and the USA are huge if you think of them. IE: Stance on guns, socialism, health care, race (Yeah, I went there, though we're not perfect either), and even the power of the government. IE: American states are way more powerful than Canadian provinces, the powers and importance of our leaders, etc. Then you go and compare USA or Canada to Russia, China...

3. Nationalism. I for one am very proud to be Canadian and better than everyone else, and I totally understand the same goes for everyone else and their countries. This is probably the biggest hurdle, there are very few people that can get past this. I know it's irrational, but I really just don't care.

4. Government. If you cut it down as much as you can you end up with three types: Autocracy, Democracy, Communism. I'm leaving communism separate from Autocracy just because I think they're different enough (when run properly, which is never). But then you have so many different types of each. Even under Democracy you have republics, constitutional monarchies, Athenian democracies, representative democracies, direct democracies...

If we were going to do this for really real this is how I'd do it:

One official (used by the government, for signs, etc.) language: A new language that uses the western script and is more 'logical' than English, to make it easy to learn, maybe not taking it as far as lodgban (logban?), but you get the idea. It wouldn't be the only language across the world though, English is the USA's only official language but plenty speak french, spanish, ect. This would be sorta the same. You could speak any language you wanted but knowledge of the 'new' language would be helpful.

As for the culture barrier, fuck it. There's enough difference even inside Canada or the USA, a global nation would have the same thing.

Nationalism: You can't really make this go away, the biggest problem is getting people to join. Ideally you'd have a referendum where everyone would vote on joining or not and you'd need between 60% and 80% to go ahead (75%?) other than that it would probably end up the same as the culture barrier.

Government: It would be a direct Democracy, everyone would get a vote on everything, there would be a (large) group of people that would suggest bills, but EVERYONE would vote on them. (Fuck logistics, that's what the internet is for). We would also have a constitution, but it would not include the right to bear arms, or similar conventions, everyone is voting so it should be less of a problem, if you want guns, vote for them. (Simplified I know, PLEASE don't start a flame war over this) You'd still have free speech, movement, security of person, etc.

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Military: NATO

People that don't want to join: Fuck em'

Poor countries that want to join: Let em' in, yeah, it's going to be costly to bring them up to speed, but fuck it, it's money from people to people to help people.
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Re: Obama Creates World's First Superstate With US-Canada Merger
« Reply #98 on: February 17, 2011, 03:37:14 pm »

Something about an America/ Canada merger seems deeply hilarious to me.  It'd be like a bad sitcom on an international scale.

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« Reply #99 on: February 17, 2011, 04:24:50 pm »

A democracy isn't a republic, why does everyone think of America as a democracy? The word Democracy doesn't appear in the constitution. America is a republic, which is more rule by law.

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Re: Obama Creates World's First Superstate With US-Canada Merger
« Reply #100 on: February 17, 2011, 04:39:41 pm »

English is the USA's only official language but plenty speak french, spanish, ect.
Actually, the USA has no legally official language. English is just sort of assumed.
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Re: Obama Creates World's First Superstate With US-Canada Merger
« Reply #101 on: February 17, 2011, 04:41:54 pm »

English is the USA's only official language but plenty speak french, spanish, ect.
Actually, the USA has no legally offcial language. English is just sort of assumed.

This makes me kind of happy.  It's neat.
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Re: Obama Creates World's First Superstate With US-Canada Merger
« Reply #102 on: February 17, 2011, 04:46:01 pm »

....Is it wrong of me to wish this would actually happen so that America can be a bit more liberal?
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Re: Obama Creates World's First Superstate With US-Canada Merger
« Reply #103 on: February 17, 2011, 04:46:06 pm »

English is the USA's only official language but plenty speak french, spanish, ect.
Actually, the USA has no legally offcial language. English is just sort of assumed.

This makes me kind of happy.  It's neat.

But incredibly difficult for native citizens to cope with and to reach cross-cultural resolutions in certain areas, seeing as language classes aren't mandatory or even necessarily the status quo.
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Re: Obama Creates World's First Superstate With US-Canada Merger
« Reply #104 on: February 17, 2011, 04:49:21 pm »

Well, it is perfectly legal, in deed if not necessarily in word, for a business to require English fluency to be hired.  It cuts all ways though, it's equally legal to require Spanish fluency or solid bilingual or any other arrangement.  But with 95+% English competency, it's pretty well assumed what language anyone is going to require.

I'm not actually sure what the law has to say about a business having to provide for cross-language understanding, if they don't require fluency up front.  Of course, if you don't speak English (or Spanish in most places) anyway, you're going to have a hard time finding and applying for work.
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