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[Mephansteras]

Yes, but looking back over my PMs he did actually ask me about his win condition. So he knew he had to win with town.

[Leafsnail]

Ah.  So he just made it impossible for himself to win :\.  Great.

[NativeForeigner]

Dariush, unless you were a survivor, you guaranteed that you would lose by not voting.  Why?

Heh, I was right about NativeForeigner.  The only reason I changed my mind was because Dariush was a) scummy and b) couldn't ninja anything.

Yeah, you were definitely right about me. I'm surprised that I passed for town after I made that mistake of voting you.

[Pandarsenic]

Okay, legitimate afterthoughts:

Wuba: Rage harder / u mad bro / etc., the Doppelgangers played to win so don't blame us for "ruining the game." We got lucky with:
1) Leafsnail not knocking any of us off
2) TWO nightkills and a roleblock on our side
3) The very abrupt elimination of almost everything that could harm us on night 1.
4) The inability of people to recognize Jim as obvtown?

Doppelganger Vigilantes need to be weighted even higher than they are now. They severely imbalance the amount of time it takes to reach Lylo.

A reminder: removing Dopp Vigilantes would still leave the Combat Camo possibility.

Spore Spreader as a true jester who can infect Dopps/Aliens wouldn't be able to lose.

[JanusTwoface]

I'm done.

Mmmk. Have fun with that.

Spore Spreader as a true jester who can infect Dopps/Aliens wouldn't be able to lose.

Unless the Spore Spreaders are changed to not win as a team. The only win if they themselves are lynched (and thus manage to propagate themselves).

Problems with that option:
- What happens on nightkills? Loss like true Jesters?
- How many are infected? 2 per kill could cause serious problems.

[Leafsnail]

Yeah, you were definitely right about me. I'm surprised that I passed for town after I made that mistake of voting you.

It wasn't really "passing for town".  It was more "Dariush was looking more scummy and wouldn't be available for the plan anyway".  Heck, Mr.Person sent me a pm telling me he thought you were scum.

[NativeForeigner]

Yeah, you were definitely right about me. I'm surprised that I passed for town after I made that mistake of voting you.

It wasn't really "passing for town".  It was more "Dariush was looking more scummy and wouldn't be available for the plan anyway".  Heck, Mr.Person sent me a pm telling me he thought you were scum.

I was just basing that off of the PM. I'm not surprised that I didn't fully pass for town.

[Argembarger]

I was basically confirmed scum after I lied about blocking Book.

I'm kind of amazed Jim didn't call me out on that. Book even wrote up a fake PM from "webadict" saying that "webadict" was going to block Jim, that I could throw out as a cover in case I was called out on it.

Which would have been awesome.

[Mr.Person]

A few things. One, dopp vig is fine, but VERY swingy.

Two, don't discuss balance of the game here, there's an entire thread devoted to just that topic.

Three, I actually didn't suspect Jim much at all D2. I know I kept saying "oh, Jim is scum, Jim is scum", but I would of voted Leafsnail before voting Jim. And I certainly would of voted Book before Jim, that's for sure.

Four, wow we sucked pretty bad there. Leafsnail, your first instinct as an Extie should of been to kill Pand, not because he might of been a dopp, but because he could of killed you. Also, what techs did you take?

Five, I knew for a fact from Book's comments that scum were aware of that plan. I figured the leak was either Leafsnail or Native, but Dariush really was being rather scummy. I dunno, I just decided to go with lynching Pand and hope for the best.

[Jim Groovester]

I'd like less powerful teams in the future. That way runaway victories like this by either team shouldn't be possible.

I was basically confirmed scum after I lied about blocking Book.

I'm kind of amazed Jim didn't call me out on that. Book even wrote up a fake PM from "webadict" saying that "webadict" was going to block Jim, that I could throw out as a cover in case I was called out on it.

Which would have been awesome.

What would that have accomplished? I knew you were scum. I figured you were telling the truth, and that you blocked Book for WIFOM. Scrutinizing your actions wasn't required.

[Leafsnail]

Mr.Person - actually, I thought it was very unlikely that Pandarsenic would kill me (since he didn't seem to suspect me), and he would mean I wouldn't have to avoid so many lynches.  I didn't count on him being a doppelganger and the whole game unravelling so quickly.

I took camo (obviously) and replicator.  The replicator would've been very useful if I actually survived the day, but I didn't.

It would've been odd for me to set up that plan as a doppelganger.  I mean, it would just be sadistic.  Then again, I guess I have a track record of doing that.

[Mysteriousbluepuppet]

Kinda sad to have not survived day 1., still, sign me up for the next one

[Mr.Person]

Hey, I went along with you, right?

I think you not shooting Book N2 was stupid. Jokerman? Really? You spend most of the day voting Book and kill Jokerman? That makes no sense and was one of the reasons I suspected you so much.

[Pandarsenic]

I would also agree on balancing teams for lower power levels in general.

Leafsnail, I thought you were almost certainly an Exty from your Vig claim, but killing you would invite Deathbombs and if you had a shield would let us know we were onto you.

Also, srsly, why Jokerman?

[Leafsnail]

Because I realised most of webadict's arguments completely sucked towards the end of day 2 and the case on Book in general wasn't great either, leaving me with only a gut instinct I couldn't explain.  Plus I was actually twisting and misquoting Book and I decided to stop.

Jokerman was being passive and bad throughout day two and had two votes.

And on day 3, it clearly didn't matter whether you thought I was vig or exty.  Probably better that you thought I was exty, even.