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[Weirdsound]

Fuzz said it can't be seeded. It can't be seeded.

You have a (very heavily armed) point there in the Redeemer. Something that can crush the equivalent (aproximately, size-wize) of a Wartank underfoot is a major problem for Brenner.

But question: Since this is in Advance Wars World, aren't they both also stuck with the 50 active unit limit? Kane is used to much bigger armies.

Na, kain wouldn't have any of the AW restrictions. His only problem would be lack of more tiberium, which wouldn't be a problem since i doubt brenner could stop any of kain's epic units from steamrolling him.

Hell, even with a 50 unit cap, 10 redeemers would kill anything brenner could throw at him.

Speaking of unit caps, Kane can only have one Redeemer at a time.

[Phantom]

So, uh, the grass here is magical or something? He could just infect the dead with it....

[Weirdsound]

He dosn't know that, and he sure as hell wouldn't figure that out before Kicking Breners arse.

[Phantom]

Dude, any time during Project Regenesis he would know the corpse trick...

Also, as for the Redeemer, he only needs one, and it DEPENDS ON THE FRICKEN TIMELINE.

[lemon10]

Even if it takes a long time for Tib' to grow here, it's still a renewable resource...

I assume he's saying that it will never grow here (at least not in any timespan that the battle would take place on).
Not that it matters since it will still be like a army from the 1800s (with the ability to make anything they can) vs a army from 2000 (that can't make more tanks or planes, but still has 100 or so tanks and a dozen battleships and aircraft carriers).

So, uh, the grass here is magical or something? He could just infect the dead with it....

The whole world is full of anti-tiberium, that stops tiberium from growing. Magically. And so are the corpses, they are magic too.

Fuzz said it can't be seeded. It can't be seeded.

You have a (very heavily armed) point there in the Redeemer. Something that can crush the equivalent (aproximately, size-wize) of a Wartank underfoot is a major problem for Brenner.

But question: Since this is in Advance Wars World, aren't they both also stuck with the 50 active unit limit? Kane is used to much bigger armies.

Na, kain wouldn't have any of the AW restrictions. His only problem would be lack of more tiberium, which wouldn't be a problem since i doubt brenner could stop any of kain's epic units from steamrolling him.

Hell, even with a 50 unit cap, 10 redeemers would kill anything brenner could throw at him.

Speaking of unit caps, Kane can only have one Redeemer at a time.

I gather that it is meta-kaine vs meta-advance wars in that they don't have unit restrictions, and normal rules like production and such don't work exactly like in the games.
But for what its worth, a single redeemer could also kill anything brenner could throw at him.


Does anyone disagree that kaine would just stomp brenner into dust?

[Weirdsound]

...Oh that. Thought you were somehow talking about that weird flower disease in Days of Ruin or somthing. Kane stomps Brenner into the ground with or without the Tib, so I'd say whether or not he can grow it on corpses is irrelevant.

[iyaerP]

Brenner's only hope is to go and get the exploding frisbee dudes from Tiberium Sun!

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[Phantom]

Brenner's only hope is to go and get the exploding frisbee dudes from Tiberium Sun!

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First, it is TIBERIAN Sun, not TIBERIUM, and second, what exploding frisbee dudes? The only possible explanation of that is the Hunter Seeker but it is not a frisbee at all!

[Aklyon]

Or he could just blast the crap out of the units Kane has with Rockets and Anti-Tank. Lower tech yes, but keeping them stationed on towns is essentially unlimited ammo, and even the Redeemer will go down if you blast it enough times with enough things.

[Phantom]

Or he could just blast the crap out of the units Kane has with Rockets and Anti-Tank. Lower tech yes, but keeping them stationed on towns is essentially unlimited ammo, and even the Redeemer will go down if you blast it enough times with enough things.

Uh, it kind of requires it not being able to reach you...

[Aklyon]

Well, yes, but I'm assuming brenner also has tanks, obviously. You can't make a whole army out of ranged units.

[lemon10]

Well, yes, but I'm assuming brenner also has tanks, obviously. You can't make a whole army out of ranged units.

Yeah, eventually, but its like a battle between 21st centure forces and pre-ww2ww1 forces. Eventually your artillery could kill their tanks, but it would basically require them to not be attacking.
A redeemer would just roll over pretty much any amount of conventional forces, and that's not even counting cain's other forces.

Or he could just blast the crap out of the units Kane has with Rockets and Anti-Tank. Lower tech yes, but keeping them stationed on towns is essentially unlimited ammo, and even the Redeemer will go down if you blast it enough times with enough things.

Errr... If they can shoot the redeemer, it can shoot them back and one-hit kill them.

[iyaerP]

Brenner's only hope is to go and get the exploding frisbee dudes from Tiberium Sun!

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First, it is TIBERIAN Sun, not TIBERIUM, and second, what exploding frisbee dudes? The only possible explanation of that is the Hunter Seeker but it is not a frisbee at all!

The GDI exploding frisbee dudes.

And I was being facetious.


And as for brenner's arty being able to kill tanks, I think that they would. One of th main weaknesses in tank armour is vulnerability to a top-down shot, and artillary shell trajectories would mean that they almost always hit at such an angle. Post modern armour or not, that would still be where Kane's tanks have their weakest armour, so this is what I would see as Brenner's one chance of success, that being if he went mass artillary. I think he would still lose, especially given that Kane could NUKE him, but he would be able to take out a lot more of kane's basic infantry and tank units than most people are giving him credit for. The biggest changes between ww2 artillary and that which we use today has been making it more mobile, longer range and more accurate. The basic payload that a 105mm artillary shell hasn't changed much between ww2 and today. So if we are assuming that the advance wars tech is about on par with ww2, then artillary is actually his biggest strength, cuz everything else require line of sight, where kane and his laser-weaponry is clearly superior, but in command and conquer games it is mostly tanks and infantry that do the fighting.

[Aklyon]

Brenner has an entire unit type dedicated to being Anti-Tank.

[lemon10]

Tanks (and equivalent, eg. redeemer)= Kane , C&C has very powerful tank and tank equivalent, FAR stronger then anything we have today. Brenner has better tank tech then what we have to do from what i can see. Winner=Kane
Infantry: Kane has cyborgs, ninja's(!), suicide bombers and others awesome stuff. Brenner's infantry gets guns. Winner=Kane
Aircraft: Kane gets sci-fi stuff (like giant air battle ships), brenner just gets regular planes for the most part. Winner=Kane
Anti-air: Kane has  SAM's, and other rocket stuff. Brenner has equivalent. Winner=tie
Anti-tanks: Almost all of Kane's tanks and probably most of the infantry can one hit ko brenners. Even brenner's anti-tanks would take a while to kill a redeemer (or similar) if it just stood there. Winner=Kaine
Special Abilities/Penalties: Kane, nuclear weapons, can't build more super units. Brenner, none. Winner=Kane

But Brenner doesn't beat Kane in a single category, and would get crushed in most of them.