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[Realmfighter]

Economies only work if there's someone else to pay.

[PenguinOverlord]

Let's all become pirates.

[Realmfighter]

And on't worry you guys, I've got the saw and all the pegs we need.

You can thank me later.

[SalmonGod]

Economies only work if there's someone else to pay.

What is an economy anyway?

Guy claims ownership of things other people need.
Guy offers money to people who will work to expand his ownership of things.
People use money to pay Guy for things that they need.

At its root, our standard usage of the word economy is a language of abstraction used to codify systems of debt/slavery such that most people will simply accept it if indoctrinated early.

[Realmfighter]

"No humanity, you are the Robber-Baron"

And then humanity was the Robber-Baron.

[Aqizzar]

At its root, our standard usage of the word economy is a language of abstraction used to codify systems of debt/slavery such that most people will simply accept it if indoctrinated early.

I love the idea that children learning how to trade stuff for other stuff is now propaganda.

[Realmfighter]

Pfft, everything is propaganda.

If you are able to see

[Virex]

Economies only work if there's someone else to pay.

What is an economy anyway?

Guy claims ownership of things other people need.
Guy offers money to people who will work to expand his ownership of things.
People use money to pay Guy for things that they need.

At its root, our standard usage of the word economy is a language of abstraction used to codify systems of debt/slavery such that most people will simply accept it if indoctrinated early.

I thought it was a formal system in which value is exchanged between people? Bigger economy = more value being exchanged, which is why spending is better then saving from a purely economic standpoint. (You'd hope that bigger economy = more value being produced, but that's not a given though)

[SalmonGod]

At its root, our standard usage of the word economy is a language of abstraction used to codify systems of debt/slavery such that most people will simply accept it if indoctrinated early.

I love the idea that children learning how to trade stuff for other stuff is now propaganda.

I'm not talking about the simple act of trading one thing for another.  Economics goes way beyond "I'll give you my apple for your banana."

The majority of the planet is owned by a relative handful of the population.  To even have the right to occupy space to exist, you owe people.  Those people aren't likely to be interested in your existence unless they have something to gain from it.  So you work for them, in return for some token of proof which you must trade straight back for the right to exist.

And it all hides behind the language of economics, such as a couple years ago when wealthy men staring at walls of numbers decided "The current state of our number game displeases us" and kicked millions of people out of their homes, only for those homes to sit empty, all because "the economy is bad".

[Realmfighter]

So what do you suppose we do? Destroy the government? Big Business? Small Business? Money? The concept of money? Just get it over with and destroy all of humanity, because it apparently enjoys owning things, and this is also apparently terrible?

[SalmonGod]

Economies only work if there's someone else to pay.

What is an economy anyway?

Guy claims ownership of things other people need.
Guy offers money to people who will work to expand his ownership of things.
People use money to pay Guy for things that they need.

At its root, our standard usage of the word economy is a language of abstraction used to codify systems of debt/slavery such that most people will simply accept it if indoctrinated early.

I thought it was a formal system in which value is exchanged between people? Bigger economy = more value being exchanged, which is why spending is better then saving from a purely economic standpoint. (You'd hope that bigger economy = more value being produced, but that's not a given though)

Sure, that's something like the formal definition of the term, but I think it's one of those cases where real world function and usage rarely fits dictionary definition.  Or perhaps it's the definition of those defining terms which is too vague.

For instance, what is value?  It's supposed to be based on supply and demand, right?  But wealth consolidates, and supply inevitably falls to very centralized control.  So if a handful of people control all supplies of food or living space, the value is whatever they feel like demanding in return.  They don't have to share if they don't want because it's their property.  It's then easy to see how economy turns into little more than a linguistic abstraction of slavery.

[Realmfighter]

One person holding everything away from the masses leaves a vacuum of demand.

[nbonaparte]

Pfft, everything is propaganda.

If you are able to see

They Live sucked.

[SalmonGod]

So what do you suppose we do? Destroy the government? Big Business? Small Business? Money? The concept of money? Just get it over with and destroy all of humanity, because it apparently enjoys owning things, and this is also apparently terrible?

Abandon the concept of property (as opposed to personal possession, as I've described before), and reject all forms of centralization of resources and authority.

And by authority I mean what I call coercive authority, which is any case of an individual or group who make demands of others under threat of consequences.  This is most often easily seen as naked violence EXCEPT when carried out under the language of economics where consequences amount to a denial of resources, which is still backed by naked violence towards any who don't agree with the conditions of the system.

[Realmfighter]

That would wor-

Wait no, people actually enjoy life as it is now.

That your problem, no one else sees the problem.

They don't even think there's a problem, ergo, there isn't a problem.