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Author Topic: Religous Viewpoints and Freedom  (Read 12353 times)

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Re: Religous Viewpoints and Freedom
« Reply #30 on: November 11, 2010, 01:04:11 pm »

Dem semantics, man. Dem semantics.
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Re: Religous Viewpoints and Freedom
« Reply #31 on: November 11, 2010, 01:04:46 pm »

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Re: Religous Viewpoints and Freedom
« Reply #32 on: November 11, 2010, 01:07:56 pm »

I used to be a kinda hardcore atheist, if not to say antitheist. But of course, viewpoints change.

I still think it's a stupid belief, but hey, whatever they want to believe. As long as it does not influence any non-believer's life. That is, total secularity for everything effecting the people rather than only the believers.
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Re: Religous Viewpoints and Freedom
« Reply #33 on: November 11, 2010, 01:09:30 pm »

There is no scientific evidence either for or against the existance of any God. Nothing in modern science eliminates the possibility of God creating it all. And any opinion about God is really a belief to be honest.

Personally, I happen to think that it is extreeeeeemely unlikely that a God created or controls it all, but it is of course a distant possibility. So I'm not entirely athiest, I suppose. I just think the actual chances of it being true are so remote that I can discount it.
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« Reply #34 on: November 11, 2010, 01:11:32 pm »

Just to interject some hypothetical stuff.

If muslims (PEACEFUL non-terrorist muslims that is) go to mars, what direction will they have to face in order to face mecca since they aren't on earth anymore?
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« Reply #35 on: November 11, 2010, 01:13:55 pm »

Lol. Technically Muslims in Australia or new zealand should fact down towards the ground in some direction.
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Re: Religous Viewpoints and Freedom
« Reply #36 on: November 11, 2010, 01:14:21 pm »

I would assume they'd just face towards Earth.
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Re: Religous Viewpoints and Freedom
« Reply #37 on: November 11, 2010, 01:19:05 pm »

There is no scientific evidence either for or against the existance of any God. Nothing in modern science eliminates the possibility of God creating it all. And any opinion about God is really a belief to be honest.

Personally, I happen to think that it is extreeeeeemely unlikely that a God created or controls it all, but it is of course a distant possibility. So I'm not entirely athiest, I suppose. I just think the actual chances of it being true are so remote that I can discount it.
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Just as a note Tsarwash, people who say 'there might be a god or gods, I'm not sure either way' are called Agnostics. Not sure why, not sure who came up with it.

Also, I agree with the first post, Have whatever religious beliefs you want, so long as they do not effect another person's life in a way that harms their freedom. Obviously there are limits on this, otherwise children would need to be seperated from their parents, but the basic idea is a good one.
I also agree that religion in general is a good a idea, It helped people think about the world we live in, and how it came to be and how we effect it. What happened was smart greedy people saw how easy to control many religious people are, and worked to get positions of power in religions to control the populas.
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Re: Religous Viewpoints and Freedom
« Reply #38 on: November 11, 2010, 01:29:33 pm »

I would say that I don't believe in god/s but cannot say with certainty that they do not exist, which essentially makes me an athiest rather than an agnostic, who is someone that cannot make up their mind about the matter. But anyway, it's semantics again, and not important.
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« Reply #39 on: November 11, 2010, 01:33:52 pm »

There goes my attempt at derailing the topic, or at least some less serious discussion.
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Re: Religous Viewpoints and Freedom
« Reply #40 on: November 11, 2010, 01:41:51 pm »

Does the location of Mecca relative to the speed of light make a difference in which way Muslims must face if they want to face completely precisely towards Mecca? They could face towards where the earth appears to be, but shouldn't they actually face to where it will be in a few seconds?
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Re: Religous Viewpoints and Freedom
« Reply #41 on: November 11, 2010, 01:42:41 pm »

Its a symbolic gesture.

So, wherever it appears to be.
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Re: Religous Viewpoints and Freedom
« Reply #42 on: November 11, 2010, 01:42:58 pm »

There goes my attempt at derailing the topic, or at least some less serious discussion.
Better than what Tsarwash did a few posts back. Although I always assumed the praying in a specific direction is more for the action and less for the shooting prayers into space due to the curve of the Earth. A Mars Muslim would just pray to Earth.

Edit: Holy fuck Realmfighter posted something that sounds reasonable.
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« Reply #43 on: November 11, 2010, 02:04:26 pm »

people who say 'there might be a god or gods, I'm not sure either way' are called Agnostics. Not sure why, not sure who came up with it.

Agnosticism is a philosophy that deals with more than just gods.  The word itself stems from the greek "gnosis", which means knowledge.  Agnosticism deals with truth and certainty - not just in religion, but in everything.  It allows for the possibility that we are wrong.  If you jump off a building you'll fall to your death....probably...  All evidence points to that conclusion, but there is a very small possibility that some random/freak gust of wind might save you, or a passing roc, or whatever.  Doesn't mean an agnostic is going to go around jumping off buildings because they don't think they'll fall.  Just means that they're willing to admit that there is a possibility that you wouldn't fall to your death.

Most folks in America, if you get right down to it, are religiously agnostic.  Most folks will admit, regardless of which way they're leaning, that they can't be 100% certain.  You can be an agnostic theist (I think there's a god, but I can't be 100% certain) or an agnostic atheist (I don't think there's a god, but I can't be 100% certain).  As such, calling yourself an agnostic is almost useless.

There is no scientific evidence either for or against the existance of any God. Nothing in modern science eliminates the possibility of God creating it all.

Science is all about repeatable tests and predictions.  You have a theory.  You make a prediction based on that theory.  You run a test.  If you predicted correctly, that aspect of your theory looks good and you can test something else.  If you predicted incorrectly, that aspect of your theory needs to be revised somehow.

This means that talking about scientific evidence for or against gods is about as sensible as talking about the proper way to install a banana in your new computer.

Religion isn't about testing anything.  Religion isn't adjusted when your predictions come out wrong.  Religion is about following a specific set of rules regardless of what is going on around you.

How do you scientifically test that a god exists, when every time your test comes back negative the answer is simply "God did it."

Atheism is a religious viewpoint since you're have a stance on the whole creation of the world thing.

Atheism has nothing to do with the creation of the world.

Atheism is the belief that there are no gods.  Nothing more, nothing less.

Where the world/universe came from is not addressed in atheism.  If there are no gods it could not have a supernatural origin, but whether it was a big bang or quantum fart or whatever else is an entirely separate discussion.

I still think it's a stupid belief, but hey, whatever they want to believe. As long as it does not influence any non-believer's life. That is, total secularity for everything effecting the people rather than only the believers.

The problem with this is that religion causes people to do some really fucking stupid things.  And lots of innocent/uninvolved people get hurt.

Which isn't to say that we'd be living in a utopia if all religion went away...  But I firmly believe that religions and religious thinking cause far more harm than good.

I'm not talking about fringe nutcases who decide they're talking to Jesus and go on a killing spree.  But people who happily mutilate generation upon generation of children because some dusty old book says so.  Or folks treating women like cattle because god said so.  Or going to war because somebody claims their imaginary friend is better than your imaginary friend.
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Re: Religous Viewpoints and Freedom
« Reply #44 on: November 11, 2010, 02:11:36 pm »

Its not religions that hurt people.

People hurt people, and they will continue to do so even without the convenient reason of religion.
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