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Author Topic: Things that made you go "WTF?" today o_O  (Read 14979051 times)

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Re: Things that made you go "WTF?" today o_O
« Reply #57555 on: September 02, 2014, 04:08:45 pm »

See: "Right-to-work" Laws. They, of course, grant us the right to work by limiting the employees' ability to bargain for increased wages, shortened hours, and safe working conditions.
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« Reply #57556 on: September 02, 2014, 04:16:42 pm »

While I can't speak for Grak, the vast majority of workers in the US have no contract, and can be ordered to work any number of hours that the employer wants, when they want, and can be terminated for any reason, or none.
That sounds ever so slightly illegal.

It's called "at-will employment", and most places have a line in their handbook (which you are required to sign as a condition of employment) that reads something along the lines of "I acknowledge that I have signed no contract with [company] and thus my employment can be ended by either party at any time for any reason." The laws enabling it were intended for temp agencies, which as originally envisioned were for topping off your workforce at-need in the event you found yourself temporarily but indefinately understaffed (if, for example, you got a very large order that needed filled, you could bring in a lot of people quickly just to work on that order) without going through the full hiring process. Nowadays, pretty much all companies in the blue-collar and no-collar market staff entirely through such services, either by the "89-day temp*" method or by actually hiring them after 90 days.

@MaximumZero Right-to-work is an entirely different kettle of fish, in that it applies to companies that have a union contract.

*I don't know if it is law or simply part of a generic contract, but temp service employees have to be hired permanently after 90 days at a location. Thus, it is common for employers to release a given temp on the 89th day.
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Re: Things that made you go "WTF?" today o_O
« Reply #57557 on: September 02, 2014, 04:18:39 pm »

Yeah, I know, I'm just still sore over MI moving to RtW a couple years ago, but that was a political move to lessen the political power of the unions.
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« Reply #57558 on: September 02, 2014, 04:21:28 pm »

I am so glad that I live in a place which has actually heard of the phrase "labour laws".
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« Reply #57559 on: September 02, 2014, 04:22:32 pm »

I can't believe, given the circumstances under which it was shoved through (by lame-duck state congresscritters as their final act in office), that that hasn't been revoked yet, either by veto-proof legislative action or voter initiative. I know your governors at least ten deciKasichs of an ass, but still.
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« Reply #57560 on: September 02, 2014, 04:26:22 pm »

I am so glad that I live in a place which has actually heard of the phrase "labour laws".
Oh, we've heard of them. We've just been told that they're some pinko commie f*g cockamamie. True red-blooded Americans like to live life on the edge (unless you're a CEO, in which case you not only have a contact but one which guarantees a generous multi-million dollar payout if you completely suck at your job and are shitcanned by the Board of Directors).

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« Reply #57561 on: September 02, 2014, 04:32:24 pm »

I am so glad that I live in a place which has actually heard of the phrase "labour laws".
Don't be silly, of course we've heard of labor laws. They're kinda' like quiche, right? Just with little strawberries on top. Some kind of fancy desert you eat in high class restaurants.
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Re: Things that made you go "WTF?" today o_O
« Reply #57562 on: September 02, 2014, 04:38:42 pm »

I am so glad that I live in a place which has actually heard of the phrase "labour laws".
Don't be silly, of course we've heard of labor laws. They're kinda' like quiche, right? Just with little strawberries on top. Some kind of fancy desert you eat in high class restaurants.
You only get labor rights in the U.S. if you're rich and influential enough to not need them.

But yes, most places I've worked have a clause in the employee handbook you're required to sign off on that essentially states that refusing to work overtime is grounds for termination. One place made the mistake of including 'reasonable requests to... &c.', so we managed to parlay that into "No, you cannot come to me twenty minutes before my shift ends and tell me to stay for another six hours."

There's also the lovely stuff like "If you even think about unionizing you're all fucking done, I'll call up a guy I know and we'll have a truckload of Mexicans in here tomorrow to do your work for half the pay and less complaints." That's a direct quote from one of my old supervisors.
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« Reply #57563 on: September 02, 2014, 04:40:53 pm »

* Strange is now strangely happy to live in commie-land, for a little while longer.
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« Reply #57564 on: September 02, 2014, 04:44:55 pm »

Socialism FTW.
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« Reply #57565 on: September 02, 2014, 06:27:20 pm »

I love how some people defend the obviously-broken parts of laissez-faire capitalism with the justification that regulations take away their freedom (typically the parts that stop things like company towns). It's like saying that liberating slaves or passing anti-slavery laws is taking away freedom from slave owners.
That was in fact a significant part of the argument leading up to the American Civil War.
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« Reply #57566 on: September 02, 2014, 06:37:15 pm »

Yeah, that's like saying a stoplight takes away your freedom to drive the way you wanna.

Sure a stoplight is a burden, but a totally necessary and required one after you get a certain amount of traffic at an intersection. Otherwise you're gonna crash. Don't like being made to stop at the intersection? Too bad?
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« Reply #57567 on: September 02, 2014, 08:09:28 pm »

That's why I'm so vehemently opposed to the libertarian trend in certain segments of society. It's a callback to classical liberalism, except with the redeeming bits about trying to provide some sort of social safety net for the disaffected and mistreated, and with extra helpings of social Darwinism, except that it's completely unrepentant about being an obviously rigged game, considering that the apparent ideal starting conditions are "got ours, you can go kill yourselves because there's no way you're going to climb this ladder after we saw off the rungs from above".
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« Reply #57568 on: September 02, 2014, 08:42:09 pm »

Liberalism?

We need a slogan!

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« Reply #57569 on: September 02, 2014, 08:58:36 pm »

FREE SPEECH:

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