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[Kyle700]

Is there anyway to melt a river during spring.  Sometimes I'll start out, and really need some water, but no, the river is frozen.  So is there anyway, even in the later stages of the game, to melt a river

[Urist Imiknorris]

Flow magma under/above it.

[Kyle700]

well, I meant without the obvious answer of magma, sorry =P

[Namfuak]

EDIT:  Clearly I need to do more dwarfing.

[Urist Imiknorris]

They'd melt into "globs" of water, which your dwarves would clean up, and not tiles of 1/7 water like you think.

[Kyle700]

The river unthaws after half a year of waiting, but I'm impatient, haha.

[Ubiq]

Is there anyway to melt a river during spring.  Sometimes I'll start out, and really need some water, but no, the river is frozen.  So is there anyway, even in the later stages of the game, to melt a river

If the river begins unfrozen, then construct a well house over a portion of it and it'll remain liquid during the winter. That or dig a tunnel that the water can flood into and use that.

You could try caving in a section, but if it's a freezing environment, it'll probably just freeze again if a roof isn't built over it.

You could dig it out and move all the ice blocks inside.  If you want to make a pool, you can set up a dump area and designate them all to be dumped.  They *should* melt when weather gets warmer.  If you need flowing water, I don't know what you can do unfortunately.  It would seem to me that a river would need to unfreeze eventually, or it couldn't have existed.

That only creates a puddle of no-depth water and a bit of mud from what I've seen and not enough to be used for anything besides irrigation. If it's above ground, it'll eventually refreeze into an ice floor instead of a wall.

[Bronze Dog]

That only creates a puddle of no-depth water and a bit of mud from what I've seen and not enough to be used for anything besides irrigation. If it's above ground, it'll eventually refreeze into an ice floor instead of a wall.

Makes me wonder if sometime I should try embarking in a cold-ish desert with a stream so that I can just irrigate by having everyone haul ice instead of fighting evaporation like I once did with in a hot desert: The water spreading into my reservoir evaporated faster than it would fill up. (My next desert embark, I'll probably try using water pressure to compensate.)

It'd also look nicer to have exactly rectangular patches of mud.

[Urist Imiknorris]

It isn't even useful for irrigation - it doesn't create mud.

[Bronze Dog]

Well, scratch that idea, then.

[krenshala]

when I've dug a tunnel in the z-level directly below the surface from a brook/stream to my cistern I've noticed that the water in the tunnel will not freeze in winter when all the "outside" water does, unless it has a non-natural roof over it (i.e., it freezes through a constructed floor).  This was in both 0.31.12 and .13 that I have had this happen.

[Jake]

I don't think water that's being moved through a screw-pump can freeze either.

[veok]

I don't think water that's being moved through a screw-pump can freeze either.

I've set up too many screwpumps only to watch them draw up... a single block of ice, which plugs the pump and prevents all future water from being drawn through.

So that's false, unfortunately.

[MaDeR Levap]

I've set up too many screwpumps only to watch them draw up... a single block of ice, which plugs the pump and prevents all future water from being drawn through. So that's false, unfortunately.

Probably he meant inside pump. It is impossible, of course, because pump technically teleports liquid from down at one side to up at second side.

[gtmattz]

well, I meant without the obvious answer of magma, sorry =P

Well, in this case, the only real answer to your specific question ("is there anyway, even in the later stages of the game, to melt a river") happens to be magma.

All other options are workarounds which, for the most part, simplify down to 'use an underground cistern to store water for the cold months'.