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[JanusTwoface]

Bah, I'm going to bed.  I'll probably look through this again tomorrow.

[Mr.Person]

I'm not voting for Jokerman. Period. There's not enough votes for that, anyways.

[Pandarsenic]

As long as he gets a 3-to-3 lock, though, he can just shoot the cult leader at night. Cult, then, should recruit the Mafia Ally to screw over the Mafia's quorum.

Object to shorten.

[Scatterbrain]

whoa. i go to bed and then everything kicks off bigtime.

ok gonna try and read this later on tonight, got school now.

[Scatterbrain]

waaaaaitt a minute

Here are the claimed inspections:
Toaster -> Ottofar = SK (true)
Jokerman-EXE -> Toaster = Survivor
shibdib -> Pandarsenic = Mafioso
Mr.Person -> Jokerman-EXE = Mafioso

Toaster = Survivor
Jokerman-EXE = Mafioso
Mr.Person = Jester
Pandarsenic = Townie
JanusTwoface = Mafia Ally
Scatterbrain = Cult

note particularly pandersenic. you must've got from him being claimed as mafioso to him being town becuase you're the mafia ally, right? (or are claiming to be). gonna use my inspect on you before i state my case anymore (was gonna fire it off yesterday but didn't get the chance).

[Pandarsenic]

I'm obviously the townie. The Lyncher claimed I was mafia.

[webadict]

Webadict: Does being converted add a second win condition or does it replace your previous win condition?

Replaced wincon.

We get a tie, no-lynch. I kill Scatterbrain and both he and Toaster lose. We lynch Mr.Person and he wins, then we finish with Pandar.

I don't think anyone realizes what "Forced Tie" means. I meant a case of SK and Mafioso only alive, they would never be able to lynch the other, so they go straight to Night. This should only ever happen with 2 people, if that.

[Mr.Person]

I was wondering if a scenario like jester-mafioso-sk would constitute a forced tie. The jester will lose if he votes somebody other than himself and the sk and mafioso have no way of getting enough votes to lynch anyone anyways.

[Toaster]

Yeah, this is getting complicated.  *Slaps Scatterbrain again*

Web:  Assuming that the living players are the Jester, Mafioso, Mafia-Ally, and Townie.  If they lynch the Jester, does he win alone, or does the Mafia side win too?

[Scatterbrain]

ok, inpsect shows me that janustwoface is indeed the mafia-ally. given that we've got everyone's roles figured out, i guess it'd be silly for me to pretend that i'm not the cultist :p

and toaster, i recruited you partly because it was safe that you weren't a mafia/sk, and partly because i've seen you play before and could rely on you to not be terrible. which you haven't been. just as planned.

umm... i'm trying to get my head around this and i'm really not getting anywhere; all this talk of voteties and whatnot. help me out here, ol' toaster ol' buddy ol' pal.

[webadict]

Whenever one side wins, all other win conditions are checked. That means if the Jester is lynched and there is only a Mafioso and Townie left, the Mafioso and Mafia-ally wound win as well as the Jester.

[Toaster]

Scatterbrain:  Janus's plan is to lynch you today, making us both die.  Overnight, Jokerman either NKs Pandar or does nothing (irrelevant), and Person is lynched D3.  Person/Jokerman/Janus win.  Pandar, you, and I have no reason to go along with that, so he can't get four votes on you to hammer.

My plan is to lynch Jokerman today, and you to recruit someone who voted Jokerman overnight.  Come day, three cult among five players.  You, I, and whoever you recruited win.  Pandar is in on that plan.  The problem is that we'd need either Janus or Person to vote with us.  Janus has weak incentive, as it trades a guaranteed win for a 50% chance at one.  Person's got the same issue, and he has stated he has no intention of doing it.

Basically, if you vote Jokerman now (I wasn't thinking straight when I unvoted him) and Pandar does too, we only need one more vote for him to hang.


Web:  If mafioso's alive in the night and NKs the cult leader, and cult leader recruits a valid target, which has priority?  Does the cult leader die before the recruitment or does the recruitee get recruited then die?

[Pandarsenic]

People, this game can only end one way. Here's the rundown:

Current Factions:

Mafia, MafiaAlly
CultLeader, Cultist
Townie
Jester

So what we have here is 3 people who theoretically want the cult Leader lynched (The Mafia faction and the jester) and 3 who want the Mafioso Lynched (The Cult faction and sort-of the Townie)

People who can't be hammered:
The Townie (Mafiakill will eliminate the Cultist, killing his past and present recruits - the proper move for the Cult would be recruiting the Mafia-Ally to secure the loss of the Jester and the M-A-turned-Cultist. The Cult, however, still loses, and thus cannot vote the Townie)
The Cult Leader or The Cultist (Requires the vote of one of the Cult members or the Townie, resulting inevitably in their loss [lynching the Cultist is the equivalent of not lynching since the Night Kill will target the Cult Leader as he recruits the Mafia-Ally])
The Mafia Ally (Same result as killing the Cultist, essentially, but with the recruitment of the Jester or Townie. The opposing faction has no reason to target this player)
The Mafioso (Requires the vote of one of the Mafia members, obviously counterproductive, or of the Jester. The Jester would have to do so with the understanding that the Cult Leader will not recruit that night, then will be lynched the next day. However, in this situation, the Townie [one of the 4 needed votes] would be assured loss, and thus cannot vote for him. Without PMs, the Cult cannot give false assurances to whichever of the Townie or the Jester would have to be betrayed. Therefore, it's impossible for this lynch to reach its required 4 votes due to the Jester and Townie votes for the Mafioso being mutually exclusive)

At this point, all roads lead to failure. The Jester is the only person who can be lynched; any other lynch would have to result from someone deciding to lose to more than one faction instead of just to the Jester. The proper course of action is for the Cult members and the Townie to vote for the Jester, who then selfhammers.

There's literally NO OTHER WAY for the day to end. No other lynch can be completed, because no other lynch makes sense to any party involved, but no-lynching isn't an option, nor is simply waiting for a deadline.

Vote for Mr.Person.

[Mr.Person]

I'm not going to complain. I always win Third-Party Mafia as the uber-Jester!

Mr.Person

[webadict]

Maybe I'll make the inspects less useful next time... Hm... No inspects would be interesting, otherwise no roleflips would have to happen.