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[Toaster]

Web:  I've got a couple suggestions, but I'll wait until game end.   Among other things, inspects need to be changed.

Pandar:  While you're probably right, I have one issue with being unable to lynch the Mafioso.  If instead of not recruiting, the cult leader could promise to pick at random among the non-cult that vote for the mafioso to recruit.  That would be you and either Person or Janus.  I'd like to hear from you three on that before I commit.

[Scatterbrain]

but if we lynch jester, the only person that wins is the jester; at the point the jester dies...
-> townie doesn't win because the mafia and cult are still around, they aren't 'gone' yet
-> mafia+mafia ally don't win because they don't outnumber or equal the remaining players
-> cult doesn't win because mafia is still around and they don't outnumber or equal the remaining players

you say that lynching the jester is inevitable. but...

  If instead of not recruiting, the cult leader could promise to pick at random among the non-cult that vote for the mafioso to recruit (you meant be lynched here, right?).  That would be you and either Person or Janus.  I'd like to hear from you three on that before I commit.

i was just thinking something like this. obviously, it's preferable for me - and preferable for the mafia-ally and townie, at this point, as the other option is lynch the jester today which = lose for them. obviously, the jester won't be in on it and would rather just get lynched, but we only need two votes. if my logic is right, then this is the road that mafia-ally and townie have to go down if they don't want the jester lynch and for them to lose; a 50/50 gamble is better than a definate defeat.

[Jokerman-EXE]

You hear that, Pandar? They promise to do what you want. You just have to win them the game first, no big deal. But you have their promise.

I hope the sarcasm that is positively dripping from my voice right now is well construed through this post.

[Toaster]

Well duh- do you expect Scatter to not recruit?  Five would be alive if you got lynched, and cult needs three to win.  Like I said, it's a 50/50 shot among the two that vote with the cult, which beats out 0% any day.

[shibdib]

Maybe I'll make the inspects less useful next time... Hm... No inspects would be interesting, otherwise no roleflips would have to happen.

Im dead but here my 1 dead chat, game mode is fun but definitely needs some tweaking. Not every1 should have an inspect IMO as it just turns into this massive clusterfack that we have going on now. Roles might also need to be tweaked a little.

[Scatterbrain]

Well duh- do you expect Scatter to not recruit?  Five would be alive if you got lynched, and cult needs three to win.  Like I said, it's a 50/50 shot among the two that vote with the cult, which beats out 0% any day.

this, basically. you're beginning to sound a bit silly, joker (*badumtish*)

also, vote jokerman-exe

[Mr.Person]

I'm going to take this oppurtunity to remind Janus that voting for the mafia reduces your win chances down to a 50/50 split, a decrease from the guaranteed victory of lynching Scatterbrain. Sure, we can't get the votes to actually lynch Scatterbrain, but that's not a good reason to decrease your win chances.

Leave the figuring out of what to do to Webadict. Worst case, the game is declared a draw.

[Pandarsenic]

scatter: The Mafia, Mafia-Ally, and Jester would never go along with that. It's not possible to achieve that lynch.

[JanusTwoface]

I'm going to take this oppurtunity to remind Janus that voting for the mafia reduces your win chances down to a 50/50 split, a decrease from the guaranteed victory of lynching Scatterbrain. Sure, we can't get the votes to actually lynch Scatterbrain, but that's not a good reason to decrease your win chances.

Leave the figuring out of what to do to Webadict. Worst case, the game is declared a draw.

I don't plan on moving my vote.  If we can force the issue, I'd much rather lynch you and win tomorrow.

[Toaster]

I'm going to take this oppurtunity to remind Janus that voting for the mafia reduces your win chances down to a 50/50 split, a decrease from the guaranteed victory of lynching Scatterbrain. Sure, we can't get the votes to actually lynch Scatterbrain, but that's not a good reason to decrease your win chances.

Leave the figuring out of what to do to Webadict. Worst case, the game is declared a draw.

I don't plan on moving my vote.  If we can force the issue, I'd much rather lynch you and win tomorrow.

Since neither of you are in, that means there's no chance at 4 votes.  Time to follow the Pandar Plan.   Scatterbrain, I encourage you to do the same.

Vote Mr.Person.

Congrats, Jester.

[Scatterbrain]

If we can force the issue, I'd much rather lynch you and win tomorrow.

that's the thing though. as pandar explained, you can't force the issue because you don't have the backup you need for your plan to work. the only realistic routes are to follow my plan, which gives a 50 percent chance of winning, or to lynch the jester, which gives everyone apart from the jester a 0 percent chance of winning. but if my plan ain't gonna be supported (by townie+mafia-ally, jester not neede here!), then that's stupid, but i guess the jester wins.

scatter: The Mafia, Mafia-Ally, and Jester would never go along with that. It's not possible to achieve that lynch.

the mafia-ally should, because he isn't going to get the votes he needs to win. so it just needs him and you on board (jester+mafia aren't going to go along with it, ofc)

won't change my vote just yet, hopefully you'll see that this is the only realistic course of action here. otherwise, gg jester.

[Pandarsenic]

That's actually... a really good point. As it stands, the Mafia-ally is set to lose guaranteed, while voting for the Mafioso puts the Mafia-Ally in a position where one of the four options the cultist has results in a win. Which is better than zero, if nothing else.

[webadict]

Vote Count
------------------------
JanusTwoface -
Toaster -
Jokerman-EXE - Scatterbrain,
Mr.Person - Pandarsenic, Mr.Person, Toaster,
Pandarsenic -
Scatterbrain - JanusTwoface, Jokerman-EXE,

Not Voting -

4 to Hammer.

[Scatterbrain]

well this has slowed down a bit, so i'll lay out exactly what needs to happen today.

-> there are only two possible courses of action, as the others have insufficient support; lynch the jester, or lynch the mafioso (i'm coming to that bit)
-> lynching the joker means that the only person that wins is the joker. ergo, it's in nobody's interest to vote for mr. person, and so this option should be discarded.
-> this leaves the 'lynch jokerman (the mafioso' option. if this is done, there will be no more nightkills, and so there will be 5 people left tomorrow morning; 3 of which will be in the cult. the cult, as they outnumber everyone else, wins.
-> anyone who votes to lynch jokerman, and is not already in the cult, will have a fair, even chance of being recruited into the cult come nightfall. these parties, if voting for the jester, have no chance to win.
-> therefore, it is in the best interests of...

janustwoface
pandarsenic
and even mr person, our jester (because he won't be lynched tomorrow when this goes off, and will therefore lose)

...to vote for jokerman today. whoever does so has a 50 percent chance (or, 33 percent, if they all vote for him before toaster changes his vote [remember, need 4 to hammer]) of winning the game. the winner will be picked using random.org. the person who doesn't get picked can consider themselves moral victors anyway.

so, there you have it. this is pretty much the only choice you guys have. if you need me to explain anymore, feel free to ask.

[Jokerman-EXE]

Uh, no. You're pretty wrong there. Janus and I can have a guaranteed victory if we want it. And, y'know, keep with our roles by working together.