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[Criptfeind]

That just sounds like "I don't think they would be interesting, so nobody else should be allowed to play as them" to me.

They would be totally interesting. Unfortunately we can't play them because they still rule the world to this day and would kill Paradox for daring to expose them.

[Tawa]

Eh, you guys are entitled to your opinion and it doesn't look like I'm going to change that. I can respect that, let's just agree to disagree.

[scriver]

Christian theocracies can totally be dynastic.

To me the Borgias is more of an example against playable theocracies than for it. They are an example of playing for the sake of the dynasty, not the theocratic state they twice controlled.

That just sounds like "I don't think they would be interesting, so nobody else should be allowed to play as them" to me.

They would be totally interesting. Unfortunately we can't play them because they still rule the world to this day and would kill Paradox for daring to expose them.

That's true of course. Maybe you shouldn't have chosen such a dangerous example of anything? Now you've risked the life of everyone posting in this thread.

[Rolan7]

Well yeah but you could say that about anything.

As much as I'd love to play the lizard men from the center of the earth that secretly control medieval society though the medium of first person dance contests I unfortunately don't think the argument actually applies equally to everything.

Forget theocracies, play as gods.  Be Jesus, award the "faithful" military advice.

[Criptfeind]

That's true of course. Maybe you shouldn't have chosen such a dangerous example of anything? Now you've risked the life of everyone posting in this thread.

That just sounds like "Because my life is put into mortal danger, no else else should be allowed to talk about it!"

[Descan]

I mean even if the Pope remained an NPC, there *are* other theocracies. Teutonic Order comes to mind, for a start.

[pisskop]

germany, for two
reformed pagan religious heads
random cash cows loyal vassals with theocratic headings are easier to keep in line than merchants.


I love theocracies in my empire.  Church tax?  Yes please.  Piety bonus plus theocratic focus for extra nums?  Yuppers.  No pope to screw it up?  awwwww yus

[Descan]

That's why you "elect" as Pope a gluttonous, ugly, cruel, cannibalistic blind dwarf eunuch horse. With syphilis.

And by elect, I mean press the claim of an anti-Pope.

[pisskop]

Is there still that bug where you can pause the game as soon as a new pope is crowned and bribe him to do things he normally would not because the ai gives him the powers of the pope but not the pope's dispositions and checks/balances?

[pisskop]

when did they add a strait crossong in italy from the bootheel brendenson to greek dyrracion?


man i remember trolling the byzantines as an Italian count by capturing their aquatic attacking dukes and selling them for mercs.  rinse, repeat, win

[scriver]

That was added so long ago I no longer remember when. Iirc it was added to incentivise the AI to Sicilian attacks into the Balkan and Byzantine reconquest of the Magna Graecia.

It worked for a little while I think, but since the update that also caused Pisa to become constant African colonizers I don't think I've seen the Sicilian Foxes man up and attack BYZ a single time. Like Pisa they're always throwing themselves at the African kings now, except unlike Pisa they're always losing.

Then again they always lost against the Byzantines too, but it was nice to see them trying when ths empire was down on it's luck. Poor Foxes. Can't do anything they managed in history on either side of the Mediterranean.

[Teneb]

More China

Spoiler: CHINA! (click to show/hide)

Greetings!

Last week I talked about how we’re adding China to the world of Crusader Kings II without actually extending the map any farther. When you are playing in the Orient, you would be wise to remember the “Divine Land” to the east. Indeed, from time to time, you will be getting tidings about the situation in China so that you can plan accordingly. China has a Status and a Policy. The latter rarely changes except when a new emperor ascends to the Dragon Throne (or when the Western Governorate either wins or loses a major war.) By far the most common Policy is “Open”, which means it’s business as usual; China is open to trade and the Silk Road is active. Moreover, the emperor is interested in maintaining the tributary system and in conducting diplomacy with the barbarian periphery. However, some Chinese administrations favor a “Closed” Policy. At such times, the Silk Road will be shut down and the emperor will not deal with foreign rulers. Neither will China attempt any form of military adventures beyond its borders. Lastly, and most rarely, China may adopt an “Expansionist” Policy. This is a time of great peril for rulers near the Chinese border, who would be well advised to swallow their pride and kowtow to the emperor, accepting tributary status before the Western Governorate is expanded with extreme force...



Chinese Policy should be seen as a political stance, but China also has a “Status”, which is beyond the emperor’s control. For example, China can be struck by famine, plague, unrest, Civil Wars and invasions by Mongols and Jurchens, and it can also sometimes experience a “Golden Age”. All of these states have an impact on China’s behavior and on the Silk Road. For example, if China suffers from famine, income from the Silk Road is drastically lowered, and players should watch out for the conclusion to a Chinese Civil War or Altaic invasion; it is not unheard of for a displaced dynasty or losing faction to seek refuge in the West… More on that in a later dev diary. I believe that will do it for today. Next week we’ll go into details about how you interact with China and what’s in it for you!

[Descan]

Do you have something I can read about Sicilians invading Greece? That sounds really interesting but I have no idea where to start. I'm assuming from context that this happened in history?

[scriver]

Yeah, those are the ones I mean. I remember at one time the mod with all the penis jokes started the game in 1060 with BYZ in two wars at the start, one the vanilla one against the Seljuks in the east but also one against Guiscard in the west, fucking with the Byzantine ability to defeat the Turks. I liked that, even though it sometimes resulted in the Sicilians gaining ridiculous footholds on the Balkan (two entire duchies, iirc).

The Guiscard's linechildren also conquered bits and pieces of the African coast during the following century, but they lost them a decade or so afterwards.

[pisskop]

Viceroyalities really seem like theyd cheapen the game by making an already easy late game easier.


I have had them, and the hardest part was simply unlanding my kings and relanding the viceroys