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Re: Crusader Kings 2 is released.
« Reply #8235 on: July 09, 2015, 06:43:57 pm »

Look up "After the End"; which is set around 600 years from now where the world's gone to shits and it's gotten hard to reach the Old World from the New World so the Catholics in the New World created New Rome with New Popetm

The Papacy managed to scoot its way closer to the frozen lands and Minnesota by way of Crusade, the Pope has big armies all on his own.

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« Reply #8236 on: July 10, 2015, 01:21:51 pm »

Loaded up my Mali trade republic save.  1250-ish...  Later than I thought, but I have Spain, West and North Africa, and most of France under control.  Britannia is...  Apparently I formed that empire then gave it freedom under a dynasty member, heh.  Which is great because that Britannia controls about a third of spain and a couple of counties in Mali itself.  But we get along fine.

So yeah, just have to wipe out the Byzantine Empire (to reform the Roman Republic).  It's expansive, but I have almost as much retinue as they have levies.  I declare war and -
INSTANTLY the Sunset Invasion launches.  First time I've played far enough to see it.  Naturally they overran Ireland easily, but then the second wave dropped directly on my capital of Massat.  Lost several family members.  It was a few years before I was able to recapture the capital and rebuild my levies.  My superblob wasn't really in *danger* but it was still impressive.  Even with their main force shattered, it looks like they'll take Britannia given time.  I'm going to let them for now.  Hopefully Britannia will dissolve and I can reclaim the fragments of my land they control.

In the meantime, I tried to grab some extra land from Italy while waiting on the Byzantine truce to end.  Kinda screwed up.  I wish I could supercharge my retinue reinforcement, or access more than one mercenaries company...  Got 133k gold burning a hole in my pocket dimension.

Oh, the original reason I posted!  13K of Catholic holy orders appeared out of West African Spain to help Italy.  Apparently, the Knights of Calatrava have quietly held a sovereign castle there for some time.  Led by a Karling, natch.
...  Woah wtf, he's married to one of my dynasty members.  Apparently converted her.  Good thing he's celibate, for his sake.
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Re: Crusader Kings 2 is released.
« Reply #8237 on: July 10, 2015, 01:36:03 pm »

I was playing an Ironman Yngling Fraticelli Britannia game when the Aztecs invaded.

Heh. They only managed to siege a single province by the time I wiped them out. When they invade Wales, they plop two stacks of 10k on Cornwall and Devon, far enough away from Wales proper that I can boat-land 45k troops on them, wipe them out with maybe 500 losses, then sail away and wait for more sheep to come to the slaughter. [/Wales pun] Took out maybe 100k with this.

Then when they were down enough, they stopped coming in to Cornwall, but were distracted by minor vassal armies in the north that I could just wait for them to mobilize to attack said groups and take out stragglers, until they were weak enough (probably 80k?) that I could whittle down their troops coming into the battle faster than they could get in. I could just attack them in Wales proper and feel comfortable.

And that's how I took out 200k troops with only 45k troops of my own.
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« Reply #8238 on: July 10, 2015, 04:04:21 pm »

So I'm trying to conquer Britain in the name of the Scots, and I've just gotten my vassals settled after some 100 years of infighting and start picking at Irelands scattered bands while England burns in civil war and conflict with France.

My current character and several of his close family are pretty good fighters, with 18+ martial being the norm, and my current character is getting on a bit in life, so when the Pope declares a Crusade for Jerusalem I figure 'why not?', so I hire some mercs with my savings, call in the Knights Templar and Hospitaller (I had a lot of piety, not sure how I wound up with that much) and sail off to the Holy Land.

Upon arrival I'm annoyed to find the largest ally we have is Hungary, the others being mere Dukes. Apparently the rest of the Catholic faith is busy. Oh well, I'm not one to flee a fight, and I've already paid my mercenaries. With a bit of careful placement I drew the bulk of the local Shia army into a battle they coudln't win and killed the bulk of them, spread out and laid siege to three territories along the northern coast of the Holy Land, fending off small armies here and there. A cursory examination of the neighbors reveals that the Sunni muslims have fractured into at least half a dozen warring sultanates, some with rebellions, the Shia one is embroiled in a civil war and cannot bring it's full forces against me, and my allies are only barely showing up in the crusade.

Now at 52 years old King Somerled of Scotland leads the siege of Antioch, recently invested with the Crusader trait and the respect of his allies and the Pope himself. Shortly before the siege ends tragedy strikes. His majesty, already infirm, is rendered incapable and comatose. He is ferried back to Scotland while his brothers and uncle continue to crusade in his name.

Within but a few years Somerled is found dead in his chambers aged 55, passed away during a sleep that lasted since he was returned from the Holy Land. His death came shortly after his greatest triumph, for during his infirmity his kinfolk ousted the heathens from Jerusalem and founded the first Catholic Kingdom of Jerusalem with the Pope's blessing, crowning Somerled it's king. Now the Holy Land and Scotland are lead by Somerled's half-brother, who continues the family goal of uniting Britain under the Scottish crown, and their new duty of safeguarding the Kingdom of Jerusalem from those who would do it harm, aided by his vassals, the Knights Templar and his close allies in the Knights Hospitaller.


So... I think I'll wind up establishing an Empire composed of Scotland, Ireland and Jerusalem before I can establish the Empire of Brittania, assuming no Jihads manage to oust me from Jerusalem. I can't swap my capital to Jerusalem for some reason, possibly faith based, not sure as I skipped the tutorial so some mechanics still elude me, so hiring mercs and holy orders to help protect my oversees territory is annoying since I have to ship them all the way from Scotland.
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« Reply #8239 on: July 10, 2015, 04:55:37 pm »

There are only three circumstances in which you can't change your capital to a province.

1) You've already changed it, in which case you can only change it to the traditional capital of your primary title in your lifetime.

2) You do not own the province, i.e. a vassal owns it instead.

3) The province county capital is of the wrong holding type (city or bishopric, in this case)
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« Reply #8240 on: July 10, 2015, 04:58:07 pm »

4) You're a merchant republic.
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« Reply #8241 on: July 10, 2015, 07:25:17 pm »

There are only three circumstances in which you can't change your capital to a province.

1) You've already changed it, in which case you can only change it to the traditional capital of your primary title.

2) You do not own the province, i.e. a vassal owns it instead.

3) The province county capital is of the wrong holding type (city or bishopric, in this case)

Ah. Thanks.

It's academic now anyway, a Shia Jihad swamped me, and all my Warrior Kings had died of injuries sustained in the Crusade and diseases combined with their advanced age, so I had no good commanders to make up for the numerical disparity.  :( Damn Seniority succession threw up a pretty useless monarch before I could change it to Primogeniture.  >:(

Good news is that a random family member I fired off to marry a Byzantine princess had a son who's now running the empire and still of my dynasty. Provided he produces some heirs at some point I'll have a comfy backup if my attempts to secure Britain fail.
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« Reply #8242 on: July 10, 2015, 07:57:12 pm »

If the problem is the first option, then as soon as your king died, you could have switched. Moot point, anyway. :P
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« Reply #8243 on: July 10, 2015, 11:02:35 pm »

Up to about 1335 in my Principality of Mali game. Mongols and Aztecs have fired, though with the predictable surge followed by retreat as the AI wastes its strength.

Golden Horde triggered first, but because Saray was still in Tengri hands, the Khan just sat there as a resident with no stacks for a good thirty years.

The Ilkhanate triggered and proceeded to nom up a swath of land from the borders of Perm all the way to the Persian Gulf. At some point the Golden Horde finally triggered and showed up with 100,000 troops in Ili, but because of the Ilkhanate's northern conquests, they were kinda cock-blocked (Khan-blocked?) on any further expansion. Eventually the Ilkhanate forces were whittled down, and the Abbasids and Byzantines counter-attacked. But the Golden Horde was an Ilkhanate ally because they were holy wars, and their 100K stack came crashing out of the steppes and wreaking havoc. Eventually the Abbasids declared and won a jihad for Persia, which was granted to the Bektashi Order. Then the Golden Horde, still flush with troops, declared an invasion and won Persia back. Meanwhile the Ilkhanate had extended all the way to the Crimea, and the situation was left with swathes of Golden Horde and Ilkhanate territory crisscrossing across West Asia.

By reaching into Crimea, they gained enough holy sites and moral authority to reform Tengriism. Both khans have exhausted their initial event stacks and are just barely holding on to their territory. In fact, I've deliberately married some of the princesses of the Khanates just so I can intervene against the Abbasids to keep them from regaining Persia. (Us Pagans have to stick together -- and can marry across religious lines).

The Kardazid dynasty holds the thrones of Russia, Suomi, Lithuania and Ruthenia, and have for well over a century, but could never quite get the Russia-blob big enough to reform Suomenusko. Until about 20 years ago, and i'm still not sure how they did it as no single king held more than two holy sites. May have been a moment when one king inherited shortly before dying and splitting it through gavelkind again. Despite reforming Suomenusko, the four kings have retained gavelkind succession, which will keep mighty Russia from blobbing anytime soon. The Russian (or more specifically Mordvin) kings seem to be getting along okay with their Mongol neighbors, who have spent all their aggressions on the weaker Tengri tribes, the Byzantines and the Abbasids.

The Abbasids are confined to Arabia, Syria, Mesopotamia and Jerusalem. They've stayed out of my way for the most part except for one attempt around 1300 to invade Egypt, which they paid dearly for.

Brittania seems close to forming, under a Welsh monarch. Wales/Brythonniad is by far the largest kingdom, with Ireland/Iwerddon and England/Lloegyr lesser kingdoms owned by relatives (gavelkind split the triple crown). Scotland/Alba is an Irish kingdom restricted pretty much to the Highlands and Isles. The Lowlands are part of France (and for a time, were ALL of France -- see below). Also, there's been a Viking hold in Argyll for centuries now, despite my going up there and burning it to the ground on at least three seperate occasions, the last when a raid by Argyll knocked my young genius Grand Prince on the head and lead to an early death.

The Aztecs laid waste to Portugal, France and most of Spain before reaching their ebb. The Kingdom of France (which is only the northern half, thanks to a powerful Aquitaine) was completely conquered, leaving only French holdouts in lower Scotland to retain the crown and title. Despite their successes, the Aztecs spent far too much defending separate conquests in Iberia and Brittany against a coalition of Lombardy, Wales, the Pope, the various knightly orders and the HRE, and it led to a lot of attrition. They've since lost all their holdings in France and have been pushed back to Portugal and chunks of central Iberia. At one point I had my defenses beefed up in Tangiers, bracing for the Jaguar Warriors to come screaming across the Straits of Gibraltar, but they never quite made it that far. Disappointing really. (Though better than that one game where they conquered Iceland and then just sat there.)

The HRE at one point had an antipope for well on 30 years, and during that time had conquered Rome. Eventually the antipope died, and the HRE gave Rome back to the Pope.

Sweden, after flirting with Catholicism on and off for a few decades, finally took conversion seriously -- and was promptly conquered by their Viking Norwegian brothers. But with unreformed Germanic, they were unable to break the faithful in Sweden, which eventually had a liberation revolt, so Catholic Sweden is once again a force to be reckoned with in the North (and I'm grateful, because it means less raiders showing up on my doorstep every year).
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« Reply #8244 on: July 11, 2015, 12:38:37 am »

All these epic adventures and here I am just trying to keep Poland together.
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« Reply #8245 on: July 11, 2015, 02:53:37 am »

Lame!  Can't re-establish the Roman Empire as a West African.  Probably required to be Orthodox, or at least Christian.

I finally wiped out the Byzantine Empire as the Mali trade empire.  As expected, I couldn't recreate it without being Orthodox.  Fortunately I had captured the empress and made her a concubine (the emperor instantly remarried...  To a Lollard heretic, I think.)

Paused the game.  Used pillow talk to convert.  Formed the Byzantine Empire (no culture requirement, saving me a generation and a tutor).  Had all the options I expected:
Could reform the Roman Empire (If I had the required duchies and prestige).
Could mend the schism, except the game considered the pentarchies all heretical still
Could take Constantinople from my vassal, ha!  Didn't know there was an option for that
Could convert back to my capitals religion, West African.  But I was short 200-some piety.
I was even able to set the Byzantine Empire as my primary title!  Wasn't sure if republics could do that.

All I really wanted to do was recreate the Roman Empire as a republic.  Which might still be possible.  I got greedy though and decided to do it as West African.  When I unpaused, I instantly and automatically restored 3 of the pentarchies...  Giving me 300 piety.  Which I used to convert right back to West African.  It didn't kick me out of the Emperor throne, but it did remove the decision to reform the Roman Empire  :'(

Not giving up yet...  Well, I am for tonight.  But I still have a plan to keep things as ridiculous as possible.
Re-concubined the former empress so I can reconvert on demand for 500 prestige
Next I'll use pagan holy wars to get the duchies I need.  Shouldn't be hard, I think I just need northern italy and some of the area around Jerusalem.   All other major powers are basically crushed.  Like with the Byzantines, I might end up breaking treaties (it's already 1307).
Once I'm sure I have everything,  I'll build up to 3500 prestige (500 to become Orthodox, 3000 for the Roman decision).
For extra bonus points, I'll raid the Cathars in the HRE and convert to that instead.  A Cathar patriarchy...  The irony.
Et voila, the Roman Republic restored by west africans with funny hats and obscene amounts of bling.

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« Reply #8246 on: July 11, 2015, 04:02:28 am »

Is it possible to mend the schism as a Catholic? Because I installed a dynasty member as Byzantine Emperor and he was a Catholic.
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« Reply #8247 on: July 11, 2015, 04:24:31 am »

No, he has to be Orthodox.
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« Reply #8248 on: July 11, 2015, 06:51:41 am »

Can he at least Roman Empire?
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« Reply #8249 on: July 11, 2015, 09:12:30 am »

Wiki says I can Roman Empire as any Christian.  And there are a few heresies that can mend the schism, but I think they're all of Orthodox.
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