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Author Topic: Future of the Fortress: The Development Page  (Read 1612510 times)

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Re: Future of the Fortress: The Development Page
« Reply #300 on: July 09, 2010, 06:17:48 am »

That's entirely dependent on how Toady will resolve undead health. Right now, he's had to fudge in an HP system for undead when everything else doesn't use HP anymore. So the question is what, if any, common thread of 'durability'/'health' will the general Creatures of the Night have. Whether they're dependent on the intactness of the physical body or not.

It might not be as hard if he adds some kind of ectoplasm-like substance acting like blood so that skeletal creature with crushed bone would leak it, make skull site for "soul" which would release it when broken resulting in instakill and rib-cage site for "ectoplasm source" which would result in massive mystical bleeding out.

It really depends on how becoming and being undead skeleton is modelled and if that is done sensibly, health could be working quite naturaly.

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« Reply #301 on: July 09, 2010, 08:36:47 am »

That's entirely dependent on how Toady will resolve undead health. Right now, he's had to fudge in an HP system for undead when everything else doesn't use HP anymore. So the question is what, if any, common thread of 'durability'/'health' will the general Creatures of the Night have. Whether they're dependent on the intactness of the physical body or not.

It might not be as hard if he adds some kind of ectoplasm-like substance acting like blood so that skeletal creature with crushed bone would leak it, make skull site for "soul" which would release it when broken resulting in instakill and rib-cage site for "ectoplasm source" which would result in massive mystical bleeding out.

It really depends on how becoming and being undead skeleton is modelled and if that is done sensibly, health could be working quite naturaly.

By doing that, however, you'd make skeletal creatures no different from living ones in that you simply need to bleed them out to kill them.
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« Reply #302 on: July 09, 2010, 09:26:59 am »

That's entirely dependent on how Toady will resolve undead health. Right now, he's had to fudge in an HP system for undead when everything else doesn't use HP anymore. So the question is what, if any, common thread of 'durability'/'health' will the general Creatures of the Night have. Whether they're dependent on the intactness of the physical body or not.

It might not be as hard if he adds some kind of ectoplasm-like substance acting like blood so that skeletal creature with crushed bone would leak it, make skull site for "soul" which would release it when broken resulting in instakill and rib-cage site for "ectoplasm source" which would result in massive mystical bleeding out.

It really depends on how becoming and being undead skeleton is modelled and if that is done sensibly, health could be working quite naturaly.
Much too inflexible for Toady's vision of randomly generated Creatures of the Night, which will exhibit all range of undead traits. That means some skeletons won't stay down no matter how much you pulverize their bones because they're actually wraiths that happen to conveniently have a medium to easily manipulate in the physical realm. Some undead will be nigh unkillable except for some special metal like silver. Some will regenerate no matter what unless some specific location is targetted for no apparent logical reason (but you'll get hints where to attack based on villager tales). And some will be modellable with ectoplasm-like blood.
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Re: Future of the Fortress: The Development Page
« Reply #303 on: July 09, 2010, 12:57:51 pm »

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Re: Future of the Fortress: The Development Page
« Reply #304 on: July 09, 2010, 03:42:06 pm »

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Re: Future of the Fortress: The Development Page
« Reply #305 on: July 09, 2010, 09:42:15 pm »

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Re: Future of the Fortress: The Development Page
« Reply #306 on: July 09, 2010, 11:30:49 pm »

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Re: Future of the Fortress: The Development Page
« Reply #307 on: July 10, 2010, 02:01:26 am »

so rumor is the new release is today. but according to the dev page theirs only 3 minor adventure mode improvements complete, and alot of planned ideas.. or am i missing something
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« Reply #308 on: July 10, 2010, 02:03:05 am »

so rumor is the new release is today. but according to the dev page theirs only 3 minor adventure mode improvements complete, and alot of planned ideas.. or am i missing something
You are missing http://bay12games.com/dwarves/mantisbt/changelog_page.php?version_id=10
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Re: Future of the Fortress: The Development Page
« Reply #309 on: July 10, 2010, 02:24:56 am »

so rumor is the new release is today. but according to the dev page theirs only 3 minor adventure mode improvements complete, and alot of planned ideas.. or am i missing something
You are missing http://bay12games.com/dwarves/mantisbt/changelog_page.php?version_id=10

i See now.. bugfixes r nice :) was hoping for info on new additions tho..

Although
- 0000361: [Dwarf Mode -- Combat] Cannot get dwarves to use crossbows properly (Toady One) - resolved.
- 0000076: [Dwarf Mode -- Jobs, Hunting] Hunters not hunting (Toady One) - resolved.

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« Reply #310 on: July 10, 2010, 04:07:07 am »

Oddly enough I can't even see the bug tracker... and I don't want to make an entirely new account just to see it either.
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Re: Future of the Fortress: The Development Page
« Reply #311 on: July 10, 2010, 04:28:17 am »

Oddly enough I can't even see the bug tracker... and I don't want to make an entirely new account just to see it either.

The bug tracker is actually a fantastically cool place where awesome people hang out, so you may want to reconsider!
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« Reply #312 on: July 10, 2010, 04:18:09 pm »

Oddly enough I can't even see the bug tracker... and I don't want to make an entirely new account just to see it either.

The bug tracker is actually a fantastically cool place where awesome people to hang out, so you may want to reconsider!

It's also where we bicker over the minutiae of wether or not an arsenal dwarf is an important enough position to be spoken using a definite or non-definite Personal Noun ("I am arsenal dwarf" or "I am the arsenal dwarf").

Which is synonymous with awesome, in my books.
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Nice one, not sure when I'll be feeling like killing a baby but these things are good to know.
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Re: Future of the Fortress: The Development Page
« Reply #313 on: July 10, 2010, 05:01:11 pm »

I know people have trouble with Hunters but on my last fort that I abandoned yesterday for...well...really no reason, my manager (who also had all Hunting/Related labors on...forgot to turn them off when I made him Manager) went out hunting and took down and brought in 3 different Mountain Goats with his Crossbow...that he got from somewhere I think. He might've come with it, don't remember.
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Also bear in mind that dwarves have their heads at a perfect height for a good face-kicking.
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Re: Future of the Fortress: The Development Page
« Reply #314 on: July 10, 2010, 05:59:45 pm »

Oddly enough I can't even see the bug tracker... and I don't want to make an entirely new account just to see it either.

The bug tracker is actually a fantastically cool place where awesome people hang out, so you may want to reconsider!

Well I signed up and was hit with a giant wave of disapointment... None of that stuff is there.
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