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[Yoink]

The better advice would be not to get everyone to stop shooting, but to make sure everyone has bulletproof skin.

D'you mind if I sig this, Mister Whispers?

[Loud Whispers]

The better advice would be not to get everyone to stop shooting, but to make sure everyone has bulletproof skin.

D'you mind if I sig this, Mister Whispers?

Not at all!

[kaijyuu]

Respect, yes; censoring yourself on the off-chance something you say might be interpreted in an offensive manner, no.
Hell, if it's amongst friends you probably don't even need to be all that respectful.

If you're in public, you really should. If you're in private and know your full audience, maybe not.


Though I will point out, if you friends have problem with lack of respect for you, you might want to invest in better friends. I try to stay away from people who love to posture.


@LW

Honest question: Do you feel you have no social responsibility to anyone else online? And if so, can you give a reason other than "lol online" or the paradoxical "there are more people so it matters less"?

The better advice would be not to get everyone to stop shooting, but to make sure everyone has bulletproof skin.

D'you mind if I sig this, Mister Whispers?

To yoink personally:

Do you agree with this for practical reasons, or do you defend people who shoot metaphorical bullets at others? (with or without intent, if that matters)

[Caz]

The better advice would be not to get everyone to stop shooting, but to make sure everyone has bulletproof skin.

When that happens, people will start bringing out the armor-piercing rounds. But this metaphor was stretched too far already.

[Loud Whispers]

Honest question: Do you feel you have no social responsibility to anyone else online? And if so, can you give a reason other than "lol online" or the paradoxical "there are more people so it matters less"?

I have no social responsibility to anyone else online, unless I put my social life online. An ethical responsibility I do have however.
On another note, I do not disagree with you because "there are more people so it matters less," I disagree with you because it is impossible to get a massive unmoderated community to know itself that well and tailor itself to being completely safe without utterly draining it of the sharp edges that made it or without intensive moderation.

[Yoink]

To yoink personally:

Do you agree with this for practical reasons, or do you defend people who shoot metaphorical bullets at others? (with or without intent, if that matters)

Hmm. Both, I suppose- up to a point. Especially "without intent", the other option goes on a case-to-case basis.
The main reason I sigged it was simply for how odd it looks without context, however.

[TD1]

In public, there are so many things to be offended by it is unbelievable. The same to the internet. There is no way,practically, to not offend everyone. So, be polite in whichever way you think appropriate, and try not to be offended if someone says something that wan't meant as such.

The world/internet will eat you alive if you get offended at the smallest things, it's better to just...loosen up a bit.

Dammit, LW. Your ninja stole my argument. I want it returned immediately.

@Caz: Then they'r deliberately trying to be offensive, and should be dealt with as such.

[Yoink]

The better advice would be not to get everyone to stop shooting, but to make sure everyone has bulletproof skin.

When that happens, people will start bringing out the armor-piercing rounds. But this metaphor was stretched too far already.

That... actually does work as a metaphor. O.o
AP rounds are clearly people intentionally trying to offend someone, whereas the plain ol' bullets are just normal conversation.

Edit: Wait, Dwarfy already said that. Never mind me, then.

[Loud Whispers]

The world/internet will eat you alive if you get offended at the smallest things, it's better to just...loosen up a bit.

That's the beauty of it all, the places of the internet where you have true liberty to say what you want with zero restrictions. Even if not all can use it constructively, it is freedom!

[kaijyuu]

Honest question: Do you feel you have no social responsibility to anyone else online? And if so, can you give a reason other than "lol online" or the paradoxical "there are more people so it matters less"?

I have no social responsibility to anyone else online, unless I put my social life online. An ethical responsibility I do have however.
On another note, I do not disagree with you because "there are more people so it matters less," I disagree with you because it is impossible to get a massive unmoderated community to know itself that well and tailor itself to being completely safe without utterly draining it of the sharp edges that made it or without intensive moderation.

So you're saying it's an inevitability? Well that's not mutually exclusive with it being bad. And something can still be bad if every alternative is worse! (in which case it's an unfortunate necessity)

To yoink personally:

Do you agree with this for practical reasons, or do you defend people who shoot metaphorical bullets at others? (with or without intent, if that matters)

Hmm. Both, I suppose- up to a point. Especially "without intent", the other option goes on a case-to-case basis.
The main reason I sigged it was simply for how odd it looks without context, however.

I've already talked about being irresponsible can still hurt people, so I'll skip over that.

What situations are the metaphorical bullets okay? A few broad ones will do. (I'm really just curious)

In public, there are so many things to be offended by it is unbelievable. The same to the internet. There is no way,practically, to not offend everyone. So, be polite in whichever way you think appropriate, and try not to be offended if someone says something that wan't meant as such.

This doesn't mean we can't have some reasonable precautions. Again, we can debate what's reasonable or not, but I feel I'm debating against the idea that no precautions at all are acceptable.

[Caz]

This doesn't mean we can't have some reasonable precautions.

What do you propose?

[Graknorke]

In public, there are so many things to be offended by it is unbelievable. The same to the internet. There is no way,practically, to not offend everyone. So, be polite in whichever way you think appropriate, and try not to be offended if someone says something that wan't meant as such.

This doesn't mean we can't have some reasonable precautions. Again, we can debate what's reasonable or not, but I feel I'm debating against the idea that no precautions at all are acceptable.

I am of the opinion that nobody should be worried about offending someone unless they are expressly told that they are doing so and should stop.

[BlackFlyme]

Working with my mom's boyfriend again.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

We are putting some paneling on the ceiling. Why wasn't this done before we decorated the place? It's difficult maneuvering ladders around immobile furniture.

Plus the screaming. I'm too short to reach the ceiling even when on the top step of the ladder, and I've honestly never climbed a ladder before in my life, so I had difficulty doing it. Apparently this makes me a pussy.

He gives terrible instructions, and when I can't find what he's looking for, he starts screaming about "compre-fucking-hension". He insists on saying it like that instead of the proper word.

He hands me a twisted roll of measuring tape. Apparently it's my fault that it's twisted.

He hands me an upside-down piece of paneling, and screams at me to turn it properly.

My mom comes home, and he claims there were no problems whatsoever. Then he starts screaming at her because when she's around I apparently turn into a "massive pussy". She hadn't done a thing and he would blame her when something went wrong. Like when the air compressor for the nail gun ran out of air.

At one point he got angry and started cutting out wire from a spare bundle that was laying around and throwing it at us.

But no, there were no problems today whatsoever, according to him. We're the one with the problems, and not him, he says. It's like he isn't even aware of himself.

[kaijyuu]

This doesn't mean we can't have some reasonable precautions.

What do you propose?

Well, back to the original example:

Please only use "rape" in an academic sense or in company where you know it won't be an issue. It's not acceptable to use when talking about how you soundly defeated someone in a video game.

I might also include some slurs. Not many words past that, though.

I am of the opinion that nobody should be worried about offending someone unless they are expressly told that they are doing so and should stop.

You have no responsibility to consider others until they complain?

[Caz]

Working with my mom's boyfriend again.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

We are putting some paneling on the ceiling. Why wasn't this done before we decorated the place? It's difficult maneuvering ladders around immobile furniture.

Plus the screaming. I'm too short to reach the ceiling even when on the top step of the ladder, and I've honestly never climbed a ladder before in my life, so I had difficulty doing it. Apparently this makes me a pussy.

He gives terrible instructions, and when I can't find what he's looking for, he starts screaming about "compre-fucking-hension". He insists on saying it like that instead of the proper word.

He hands me a twisted roll of measuring tape. Apparently it's my fault that it's twisted.

He hands me an upside-down piece of paneling, and screams at me to turn it properly.

My mom comes home, and he claims there were no problems whatsoever. Then he starts screaming at her because when she's around I apparently turn into a "massive pussy". She hadn't done a thing and he would blame her when something went wrong. Like when the air compressor for the nail gun ran out of air.

At one point he got angry and started cutting out wire from a spare bundle that was laying around and throwing it at us.

But no, there were no problems today whatsoever, according to him. We're the one with the problems, and not him, he says. It's like he isn't even aware of himself.

Why is this unpleasant person still around? o-o