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[Bauglir]

My own thinking is to let choices remain arbitrary but to model social outcomes in a similar manner to less abstract ones. For instance, you agree to go along with a convincing argument (against your initial judgment) for the same reason you agree to surrender to the barbarian punching you in the face with a bar stool - you know how it's going to end, so you'd rather skip the defeat and just get on to the consequences. Instead of a mechanic telling you "You give into the Diplomacy check", you have a mechanic telling you, "You have a few more points of willpower before you sort of curl up into a ball of self-doubt and confusion - maybe you should decide your character is convinced now."

[Stuebi]

My own thinking is to let choices remain arbitrary but to model social outcomes in a similar manner to less abstract ones. For instance, you agree to go along with a convincing argument (against your initial judgment) for the same reason you agree to surrender to the barbarian punching you in the face with a bar stool - you know how it's going to end, so you'd rather skip the defeat and just get on to the consequences. Instead of a mechanic telling you "You give into the Diplomacy check", you have a mechanic telling you, "You have a few more points of willpower before you sort of curl up into a ball of self-doubt and confusion - maybe you should decide your character is convinced now."

I sort of see the reasoning, but especially "Being convinced" still somewhat baffles me. Going with those mechanics, someone can literally make your Character believe anything, or make you fall in love with them, if they gote certain Stats and skills. While this is more or less a "horror story" of bad games i've read about, I'm not sure if i'd be comfortable with a DM ruling that my Character now "believes X" or "loves Y", except if the effect was cause by Magic.

[Bauglir]

No! They cannot make you believe anything. You can choose to resist as much as you like. When you hit 0, you don't agree, you've suffered emotional trauma from self-doubt or social mockery or what have you. You can still disagree, but at this point you're too inarticulate to voice that disagreement - you still control what you actually do, otherwise. You could run off to your room screaming, "I HATE YOU!" and slam the door, or walk out of a political debate, or break down sobbing, or whatever, but the argument is done. This is specifically to avoid the dice telling you how your character behaves or what they believe. Sorry that wasn't clear.

[Stuebi]

No! They cannot make you believe anything. You can choose to resist as much as you like. When you hit 0, you don't agree, you've suffered emotional trauma from self-doubt or social mockery or what have you. You can still disagree, but at this point you're too inarticulate to voice that disagreement - you still control what you actually do, otherwise. You could run off to your room screaming, "I HATE YOU!" and slam the door, or walk out of a political debate, or break down sobbing, or whatever, but the argument is done. This is specifically to avoid the dice telling you how your character behaves or what they believe. Sorry that wasn't clear.

Ah, this makes much more sense then. I can see "breaking" from an argument, but actually changing substantial believes would've been too much. Thanks for clearing that up!

[Descan]

One way to look at rolling for personality traits like that is to say the roll is your immediate reaction, and if you don't want to react that way you need to make a willpower roll for your reason and such (I.e how you the player want to react)

[Redzephyr01]

Apparently the word bad is now homophobic.

[LordSlowpoke]

Apparently the word bad is now homophobic.

you asked for the rage when you visited tumblr ladm8brosephski

[MetalSlimeHunt]

Apparently the word bad is now homophobic.

you asked for the rage when you visited tumblr ladm8brosephski

quit victim blaming him you mega-shitlord

[Octobomb]

Apparently the word bad is now homophobic.

you asked for the rage when you visited tumblr ladm8brosephski

quit victim blaming him you mega-shitlord

The particular repost makes me laugh. Good to see some of Tumblr has a brain.

Language evolves, you bundle of sticks.

[kaijyuu]

So we're okay with slurs so long as they're repurposed?

Man I'm always on the language evolves bandwagon and "gay" in particular being used for "bad" I'll often defend that some people use out of ignorance, but c'mon.

[MetalSlimeHunt]

So we're okay with slurs so long as they're repurposed?

And why wouldn't you be? If you repurpose a slur it dilutes its original meaning and makes those who use it as a slur become outdated.

[Graknorke]

So we're okay with slurs so long as they're repurposed?

Man I'm always on the language evolves bandwagon and "gay" in particular being used for "bad" I'll often defend that some people use out of ignorance, but c'mon.

If the person had actually done more than 3 seconds of research, they could no doubt have read further down the page on the etymology dictionary and found that the accusation of "bad" being a slur is likely inaccurate.

bad (adj.) Look up bad at Dictionary.com
    c.1200, "inferior in quality;" early 13c., "wicked, evil, vicious," a mystery word with no apparent relatives in other languages.* Possibly from Old English derogatory term bæddel and its diminutive bædling "effeminate man, hermaphrodite, pederast," probably related to bædan "to defile." A rare word before 1400, and evil was more common in this sense until c.1700. Meaning "uncomfortable, sorry" is 1839, American English colloquial.

[kaijyuu]

@MSH
Because connotation doesn't wipe away that easily.

You can say whatever you want and mean it in a completely non-vulgar way, but if you do so without considering how others will interpret what you say, you're a fool. Communication is two-way.

@Grak
My interpretation of the original link was satirizing people who don't like the word "gay" being used in place of "bad."

[MetalSlimeHunt]

I didn't say you shouldn't consider the cognition of others, but communication remains a game of degrees and alterations.

[Stuebi]

So we're okay with slurs so long as they're repurposed?

Man I'm always on the language evolves bandwagon and "gay" in particular being used for "bad" I'll often defend that some people use out of ignorance, but c'mon.

Im guilty of this, altough I think its best explained by Louis CK:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fcja4WFFzDw

It...just enver meant that for me, and English isnt even my native language. Active tries to ban it from my vocabulary failed miserably, as I just keep coming back to it.