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Author Topic: Things that made you RRRRRRAAAAGGGGEEEE today: Trust-o-nomics Edition  (Read 3750818 times)

MetalSlimeHunt

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"Control" is giving them a bit too much credit. They own the patents on most of the gene modded seeds currently in use, which happened rapidly over the past 20 years and could just as rapidly collapse if they lose their edge.

But they leverage those patents really really aggressively.
Only when they feel like it. Most people can and do get away with "stealing" from Monsanto because they can't control their own "product". Yeah, yeah, terminator genes, but that's literally the exact kind of stuff that evolution selects against.
So they're basically a patent troll with better legitimacy and a ton of GM seeds?

Who are also committing genocide on a species (bees) we depend on for the continuation of human civilization.
There are other pollinating insects, you know.
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And libertarians want to give private business MORE freedom? o-o
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And libertarians want to give private business MORE freedom? o-o
Everybody be crazy. Some people are more obvious about it, like the above.
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So they're basically a patent troll with better legitimacy and a ton of GM seeds?

Who are also committing genocide on a species (bees) we depend on for the continuation of human civilization.
There are other pollinating insects, you know.

A) No. Pollinators have close relationships with specific plants, and many plants are only pollinated by bees. The loss of the bee population is Majorly Serious Shit, for the world and for humans. As a biologist, I am legitimately scared for what this could mean. This would have far-reaching consequences; food webs would collapse, whole swaths of species would go extinct, soil quality would degrade, and regional climates and weather patterns could even change and render places unlivable without certain plants in place... all because of a lack of bees. They're that important.

B) There's a lot of merit to genetic engineering of food, but Monsanto is giving the fledgeling industry a TERRIBLE name, with their borderline Bond Villain Doomsday Scenario practices. We need to do decades more controlled studies and legal groundwork before we start exposing the wild to some of these gene-modified plants with innate pesticides and shit... there are just too many unknowns involved in the longterm effects of interbreeding, and the new proteins and such we're making plants synthesize, that it's hard to predict the effects on those who consume it, and on the wild.

Well Monsanto aside, GM food is probably going to become necessary barring space colonization because let's be honest here: the sheer, enormous effort of splitting and distributing equal amount of food per capita across such a large surface area with the current population distribution, diminishing areas of arable land further increasing travel time and general instabilities in the world - it's simply not going to happen without some serious technological improvements (and we're talking sci-fi levels here) as well as economic shifts (can't expect everyone to simply sell food for less than its cost).

Actually, we can grow more than enough food to feed the world, in much less space than we already are. And we are super creative with storage methods (freeze drying, canning, pickling, etc). The problem is just distribution. Think of how much food (like fruit and produce) is allowed to spoil and is thrown out in your local supermarket or farmers market or whatever (if you've worked a grocery store job, you have a better idea of this; we lost a few dumpsters of food daily). Then multiply that by all the markets in your city. Then all the cities in your province or state or country.

Honestly, it's not that we lack the tech to distribute it either... there's just no willingness to distribute it. Why should a United States farmer pay to ship their food abroad, only to sell it at much lower prices in the parts of the world that really need it? Especially when US Supermarkets will buy it for the prices they've come to expect? We are wasting tons upon tons of food, because we have surpluses in many areas, and social/economics policies that don't make it attractive or practical to distribute to the places that need it. And until we start to look at things like this as a Global Community, people will continue to starve, and those who produce food will continue to avert their eyes, and shrug at how their hands are tied by the inconvenience of it all.

There's not always money in morality. And when money is all you're considering, expect immorality to happen.
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There's not always money in morality. So expect immorality to happen.
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Solifuge

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Individuals tend toward morality. It's groups, united by ideals like Profit Margins or Unquestionable Dogmatic Truth that do the reprehensible stuff.
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The weather. This morning it was nice, sunny, and warm. Afternoon, it's cold and raining.


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And libertarians want to give private business MORE freedom? o-o
The libertarian boogeyman on this forum is getting a wee bit out of hand.

Especially not the best argument here. Most of Monsanto's power comes from the government enforcing their will and keeping competitors out of the market. Libertarians aren't anarchists, after all, so it's not like their naturally opposed to laws against much of the stuff Monsanto pushes - generally, they are opposed to the government acting as Monsanto's personal gopher and security system, while providing enforcers for their bullshit.
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It's more that Mpnsanto is run by a Neutral Evil Rogue from D&D.
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And I have to admit, I have trouble seeing them being all that powerful without patents, so they might not even be so bad under the anarchists, with no government at all, as they are now. The rampant use of their ideas without their permission would fell them pretty quickly, oddly enough.
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The weather. This morning it was nice, sunny, and warm. Afternoon, it's cold and raining.

And here I was getting pissy that it stopped raining. It was a perfectly nice, damp day and you just had to steal my weather!
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The weather. This morning it was nice, sunny, and warm. Afternoon, it's cold and raining.

And here I was getting pissy that it stopped raining. It was a perfectly nice, damp day and you just had to steal my weather!
Darn sun lovers.
Still nice and rainy over here, though.
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Gosh darnit. I recorded nearly two hours of game play, but my voice didn't record on any of it.

Luckily I didn't do any long winded commentaries. That would have sucked even more.
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Gosh darnit. I recorded nearly two hours of game play, but my voice didn't record on any of it.

Luckily I didn't do any long winded commentaries. That would have sucked even more.
jesus i know how that feels.

i made a full "Safety in robotics" animation for the robotics team at my school cause they asked me too. then flash crashed and i lost all of it!
i had 2 weeks so i made a different one in that time. but yea that sucks dude.
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Luckily with mine I still got to play a game. Losing actual work must suck even more.
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