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Author Topic: Things that made you RRRRRRAAAAGGGGEEEE today: Trust-o-nomics Edition  (Read 3749204 times)

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Re: Things that made you RRAAAAAGGGGEEEE today thread.
« Reply #4260 on: June 16, 2011, 09:39:01 am »

Rage thread, not circumcision thread.

Seconded.
There's no reason to split the discussion between two threads.
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« Reply #4261 on: June 16, 2011, 09:42:19 am »

Sorry, sorry--I thought it was a derail somewhere far away, didn't check, should have checked, etc., etc.

So, er... please forgive me.
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Re: Things that made you RRAAAAAGGGGEEEE today thread.
« Reply #4262 on: June 16, 2011, 12:13:36 pm »

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/report-on-business/flaherty-steps-up-calls-for-us-spending-restraint/article2061869/

Its pretty hypocritical that the Canadian finance minister is telling the US to stop spending so much when in the time that he's been our finance minister he's wiped out 8 years worth of Canadian debt repayments in a mere 3 years and increased our debt by almost 100 billion.

I wish the news would call him out on that, but what can you do.
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Re: Things that made you RRAAAAAGGGGEEEE today thread.
« Reply #4263 on: June 16, 2011, 04:11:01 pm »

I wanna beat the shit out of some fucking anarchists. The same shits who tried to start riots at the Vancouver Olympics, and who succeeded at starting riots at the Toronto G20 are those being arrested in Vancouver today for inciting the violence in our city last night - people who aren't even from Vancouver giving us a bad name. Fuck these Black Bloc retards.
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« Reply #4264 on: June 16, 2011, 04:17:41 pm »

I wanna beat the shit out of some fucking anarchists. The same shits who tried to start riots at the Vancouver Olympics, and who succeeded at starting riots at the Toronto G20 are those being arrested in Vancouver today for inciting the violence in our city last night - people who aren't even from Vancouver giving us a bad name. Fuck these Black Bloc retards.

Is there any real evidence they were involved?  To be honest I just think it was kids who were looking for an excuse to riot.
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« Reply #4265 on: June 16, 2011, 04:20:05 pm »

... Uncircumcised dudes are, IIRC, a hell of a lot more prone to infection, have a harder time with STDs, and often have other complications.

Just throwing that out there.

I'm gonna rage about medically unfounded notions that should die out but everyone keeps repeating it.
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Re: Things that made you RRAAAAAGGGGEEEE today thread.
« Reply #4266 on: June 16, 2011, 04:21:05 pm »

I wanna beat the shit out of some fucking anarchists. The same shits who tried to start riots at the Vancouver Olympics, and who succeeded at starting riots at the Toronto G20 are those being arrested in Vancouver today for inciting the violence in our city last night - people who aren't even from Vancouver giving us a bad name. Fuck these Black Bloc retards.

Is there any real evidence they were involved?  To be honest I just think it was kids who were looking for an excuse to riot.

VPD has arrested and they have past records for political violence. The source is the chief of police.
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« Reply #4267 on: June 16, 2011, 04:23:20 pm »

I'm gonna rage about medically unfounded notions that should die out but everyone keeps repeating it.

Hu, really?  I think I read that in my one and only intro-to-puberty-for-young-folks book.

Sorry for making you rage.  I imagine that book was quite out of date.
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« Reply #4268 on: June 16, 2011, 04:28:36 pm »

... Uncircumcised dudes are, IIRC, a hell of a lot more prone to infection, have a harder time with STDs, and often have other complications.

Just throwing that out there.

I'm gonna rage about medically unfounded notions that should die out but everyone keeps repeating it.

Haha, same here.
But I was reasonable enough to put my phone down, before I went into rant-mode.

No offense, Vector.
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« Reply #4269 on: June 16, 2011, 04:31:39 pm »

Yeah, I know... I know.  Just goes to say that I should go learn about medicine before I start talking out my ass again.
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Re: Things that made you RRAAAAAGGGGEEEE today thread.
« Reply #4270 on: June 16, 2011, 04:32:33 pm »

... Uncircumcised dudes are, IIRC, a hell of a lot more prone to infection, have a harder time with STDs, and often have other complications.

Just throwing that out there.

I'm gonna rage about medically unfounded notions that should die out but everyone keeps repeating it.

Well there is some evidence of at least the STD thing.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circumcision_and_HIV


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« Reply #4271 on: June 16, 2011, 04:33:00 pm »

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medical_analysis_of_circumcision There is plenty of medical evidence that circumcision decreases chance of disease. It's just not as big a deal as some people make it out to be.
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« Reply #4272 on: June 16, 2011, 04:58:22 pm »

I know I'm stealing Cthulu's job, but... can we please stop discussing the relative merits of our penises soon?  It's a bit unsettling.
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« Reply #4273 on: June 16, 2011, 05:07:45 pm »

This will be my only post contributing to this de-rail.

Circumcision makes hygiene easier.  Period.  The reduced risk of a infection/rash argument is countered with the 'not if you maintain proper hygiene' argument, but that's exactly the point.  The risk is reduced, because it makes hygiene less labor intensive. 

Kids do not like diaper changes.  They will scream and fight and kick you in the face.  It's also common to be forced to change diapers in hurried or difficult circumstances.  In the meantime, you have to systematically sort through every fold of skin on their wrinkly crotches to make sure you've wiped away every last particle of their grainy diarrhea.  If you miss something, it will irritate the skin and produce a rash within a few hours.  These rashes are painful, and cause the child to fight the hygiene process with ever increasing fury, compounding the problem over time.  Rashes don't go away unless they are kept obsessively clean for a full day or two.  If you fail at this, it will get infected.  It's a nightmare.

Once kids are out of diapers, the burden of hygiene transfers to them, and they don't give a shit.  They're not very good at it, and you have to teach them.  They don't want to learn.  Unless you inspect them constantly, you won't always be aware when they fail to clean themselves properly, and problems will occassionally develop.  It's a nightmare.

This is with a circumcised child.  For uncircumcised children, multiply these issues x4. 

There are many common practices that are designed to mitigate potential problems which can be shot down with statements of "Well if you're a perfect person granted perfect circumstances at all times, then it shouldn't be a problem" but this is obviously not a constructive way to debate an issue.

And it's worth pointing out that the only people who make an issue out of it are those who are uncircumcised, Bohandas being the only exception I have ever encountered in my life.
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« Reply #4274 on: June 16, 2011, 05:32:50 pm »

There are many common practices that are designed to mitigate potential problems which can be shot down with statements of "Well if you're a perfect person granted perfect circumstances at all times, then it shouldn't be a problem" but this is obviously not a constructive way to debate an issue.
You spelled "normal circumstances" wrong.
But hey, maybe I have no idea what I'm talking about. Maybe the US has great hygienical problems, if compared to Europe.

So yes, circumcision solves an issue, that actually isn't one. Well done.
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