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[Urist is dead tome]

And as for conservapedia, they made the site because of the liberal bias, but if they were actually conservatives they would expect more and think that the average conservative could separate between what is true and what has been skewed.

[Vector]

And it was shown in both links I posted that women make less because of child rearing, not sexism. Plus we factor in the fact that most women favor jobs with safety and benefits.

Read the essay Orientalism by Said, and then we should talk again.

[FearfulJesuit]

I was banned for 5 years. 

[Angel Of Death]

I was banned for 5 years. 

Why?

[scriver]

Scriver, you're putting the cart before the horse, here, you haven't even read the links, that's the same thing that killed my arguments back in the women and infantry thread.

No. Some things are just to proven through years and years worth of studies. If you had claimed that ethnic minorities was not actually being discriminated against on the work market, I wouldn't have needed to look at them to know it was bullshit.

And it was shown in both links I posted that women make less because of child rearing, not sexism. Plus we factor in the fact that most women favor jobs with safety and benefits.

No, they did not. The video in the first link is just somebody putting forth their views without any actual facts presented to support it. Furthermore, even when relevant circumstances is taken into consideration, statistics still show that men earn more than women. There was one Swedish study from 2009, for example, that showed that even after weighing factors like education, age, occupation, etc, women still had smaller wage than men. The gap was smaller than otherwise, yes, but the point is that they are still payed less than men.And this was the fourth most "equal" country in the world at the time, so yeah, other countries will have even worse numbers.

As for them having different jobs and thus different pay, that is considered in most studies. The comparison is between people with the same jobs and circumstances, not between a 50 year old male doctor and a just-out-of-college female librarian. The issue of trades that are considered traditionally "female" work has on average smaller wage than "male" jobs is a different topic.

First of all, men are payed more than women.

This, as it doesn't even allow leeway for the many many times it is otherwise. Aggravates me.

No. Not "many". Occasional "times it is otherwise". And it's a generalised statement, of course it's not going to cover every independent instance. That doesn't change that as a rule, women will earn less than men with the same job and of the same credentials. Sure, it's not as bad as it was just 20 years ago, but there's still a difference. Downplaying it or making excuses for it is just detrimental to the cause of achieving gender equality. Not to mention that the "oh, it's not so bad" argument has been a stock phrase for misogynists since, well, the dawn of feminism.

[Urist is dead tome]

Wall o' text.

The first link was a guy talking about the conclusion of his studies.

And what about the second link?

[iceball3]

First of all, men are payed more than women.

This, as it doesn't even allow leeway for the many many times it is otherwise. Aggravates me.

No. Not "many". Occasional "times it is otherwise". And it's a generalised statement, of course it's not going to cover every independent instance. That doesn't change that as a rule, women will earn less than men with the same job and of the same credentials. Sure, it's not as bad as it was just 20 years ago, but there's still a difference. Downplaying it or making excuses for it is just detrimental to the cause of achieving gender equality. Not to mention that the "oh, it's not so bad" argument has been a stock phrase for misogynists since, well, the dawn of feminism.

Rule? By who?
Sure there is still sexism flying about around today and it's bad and all, but how is it that of gender is still a basis of what can be considered a majority?
What examples are you using here anyway?

[Leafsnail]

Definition of RULE:
...2. a (1) : a usually valid generalization (2) : a generally prevailing quality, state, or mode <fair weather was the rule yesterday — New York Times>

[FearfulJesuit]

I was banned for 5 years. 

Why?

For "vandalism".

[Urist is dead tome]

Rule? By who?

Definition of RULE:
...2. a (1) : a usually valid generalization (2) : a generally prevailing quality, state, or mode <fair weather was the rule yesterday — New York Times>

Zing!

[scriver]

Wall o' text.

The first link was a guy talking about the conclusion of his studies.

And what about the second link?

Yes, it was, but it puts forth no studies or results for us to look at. It's just a guy talking about his studies. I'm not going to trust him more than the actual statistics I have seen on the subject.

And the other link, well, that kinda was what the rest of the post was about.

Rule? By who?
Sure there is still sexism flying about around today and it's bad and all, but how is it that of gender is still a basis of what can be considered a majority?
What examples are you using here anyway?

"As a rule" as in the phrase "in general". You know, when you look a the whole picture and not just the dots.
I'm not sure what you mean by that bolded sentence. Could you clarify?
And the examples are based on what media reports as well as the study mentioned above, researched by the Swedish National Mediation Office.

[Urist is dead tome]

Wall o' text.

The first link was a guy talking about the conclusion of his studies.

And what about the second link?

Yes, it was, but it puts forth no studies or results for us to look at. It's just a guy talking about his studies. I'm not going to trust him more than the actual statistics I have seen on the subject.

And the other link, well, that kinda was what the rest of the post was about.

Rule? By who?
Sure there is still sexism flying about around today and it's bad and all, but how is it that of gender is still a basis of what can be considered a majority?
What examples are you using here anyway?

"As a rule" as in the phrase "in general". You know, when you look a the whole picture and not just the dots.
I'm not sure what you mean by that bolded sentence. Could you clarify?
And the examples are based on what media reports as well as the study mentioned above, researched by the Swedish National Mediation Office.

First off, I have learned to never trust a Swede, second, I am going to withdraw from this argument because you're just holding your hands over your ears and shouting "No, no, no, no, no,!".

[Vector]

First off, I have learned to never trust a Swede, second, I am going to withdraw from this argument because you're just holding your hands over your ears and shouting "No, no, no, no, no,!".

If you're trying to learn how to get along with people, stop attacking their nationalities when they say things you don't like hearing.

Like the truth.

[Leafsnail]

"Where's your evidence?"
"Here."
"Well... you're Swedish!  I can't trust you!  And I'm right whether or not the evidence says I am.  You're just in denial."

[scriver]

Yes. By attempting to explain my opinion and providing statistics to back it up, I am covering my ear and shouting "No, no, no, no, no!".
I completely agree that Swedes are untrustworthy, though. Sometimes they sneak onto your plate while you're eating and tries to pass their dirty, smelly bulbs off as real food.