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Author Topic: Swat team raids house and kills pets over a small amount of pot.  (Read 14458 times)

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« Reply #150 on: May 06, 2010, 10:35:22 pm »

Man, I want to be a policeman now, since they clearly only accept psychotic individuals.
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« Reply #151 on: May 06, 2010, 10:36:34 pm »

The psychosis is what gives them their powers.
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« Reply #152 on: May 06, 2010, 10:38:17 pm »

The Police State thing is a work-in-progress in some areas of the U.S., but I assure you this is the future. Police regulations have only been getting more relaxed. It won't stop because the police won't allow it too.
However, public support for marijuana decriminalization and even legalization is on the brink of reaching a majority and climbing.  Winding down  the drug war will go a long way towards reigning in police excesses.  In addition, the increasing ubiquity of video recorders and the technology to distribute them are sure to have positive (if not unmixed) effects... from experience, I can tell you nothing strikes more fear into the pig's heart than video evidence.  Besides a JD, that is--if you truly are sick of being afraid of the police, go to law school.

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« Reply #153 on: May 06, 2010, 10:41:56 pm »

How many examples was that?  Like ten?  Compared to the thousands of arrests that happen each year?
Those were just the ones the media covered, there's bound to be lots more.

As per all the back and forth, ignoring the hyperbole I can support MSH's claim that the police are often corrupt and above the law, at least where I'm from, arizona. Our sheriff makes the prisoners live outside in a 120 heat, wear pink underwear for his amusement, and basically uses them as slave labor. Beyond that the police are notorious for their tactics of shoot first, second and third and then ask questions as well as blatant lying and conspiracy to support each other. There was one recent case where a cop stole some evidence and papers from a defendant while in plain sight of several people and cameras and got away with it because all the cops just shook their heads and said "Nope, didn't see nothing".

You can say they're not above the law, that they're not treated differently, but they are. Countless innocent people go to jail simply because the police decide that they're guilty and everyone will believe them over the suspect.

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« Reply #154 on: May 06, 2010, 10:44:27 pm »

How many examples was that?  Like ten?  Compared to the thousands of arrests that happen each year?
Those were just the ones the media covered, there's bound to be lots more.

As per all the back and forth, ignoring the hyperbole I can support MSH's claim that the police are often corrupt and above the law, at least where I'm from, arizona. Our sheriff makes the prisoners live outside in a 120 heat, wear pink underwear for his amusement, and basically uses them as slave labor. Beyond that the police are notorious for their tactics of shoot first, second and third and then ask questions as well as blatant lying and conspiracy to support each other. There was one recent case where a cop stole some evidence and papers from a defendant while in plain sight of several people and cameras and got away with it because all the cops just shook their heads and said "Nope, didn't see nothing".

You can say they're not above the law, that they're not treated differently, but they are. Countless innocent people go to jail simply because the police decide that they're guilty and everyone will believe them over the suspect.
Sheriff Joe should kill himself, and all the people who voted for him should be fucking ashamed of themselves.

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« Reply #155 on: May 06, 2010, 10:45:18 pm »

I've met my towns Sheriff, pretty cool dude...
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« Reply #156 on: May 06, 2010, 10:49:06 pm »

You guys elect your sheriff? Ours is appointed I believe.
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« Reply #157 on: May 06, 2010, 10:54:00 pm »

You guys elect your sheriff? Ours is appointed I believe.
Ours is elected, and just keeps getting elected over and over.

But then again, we are the "meth lab of democracy" as Stuart said.

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« Reply #158 on: May 06, 2010, 10:54:52 pm »

You guys elect your sheriff? Ours is appointed I believe.
Hell, in a lot of the US, we elect judges.

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« Reply #159 on: May 06, 2010, 10:56:21 pm »

Which is (was, with this Greece thing, I assume) a goal of Aqizzar's. Well, he can be a Judge of Intent.
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« Reply #160 on: May 06, 2010, 10:57:32 pm »

You guys elect your sheriff? Ours is appointed I believe.
Ours is elected, and just keeps getting elected over and over.

But then again, we are the "meth lab of democracy" as Stuart said.

Wait, you're saying that Sheriffs DON'T have divine right?

...Man.
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« Reply #161 on: May 06, 2010, 11:48:28 pm »

I shot the sheriff...


but I did not shoot the deputy.
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« Reply #162 on: May 07, 2010, 06:21:25 am »

I shot the sheriff...


but I did not shoot the deputy.


Sheriff John Brown always hated me.

Why I don't know.

Every time that I plant a seed, he said "Kill it before it grows"
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« Reply #163 on: May 07, 2010, 12:15:35 pm »

How many examples was that?  Like ten?  Compared to the thousands of arrests that happen each year?
Those were just the ones the media covered, there's bound to be lots more.

The media does not ignore interesting stories like "Our country is in shambles and here are some police officers schmucking up to prove it".

In fact, they do the opposite. They sensationalize corruption, crime, and disaster in order to report on interesting stories, making people like MSH think they live in a police state (please. The fact that you're able to say that on the internet without your door being kicked down and having your dog shot indicates it isn't that bad). Look at how many earthquakes have sprung up in the media since the Haiti Earthquake. All of a sudden, every magnitude 2 quake on Earth is breaking news, making us think that the world is collapsing in on itself.

To the question you asked me on page 5 (Before this thread suddenly doubled in size overnight): The SWAT team doesn't bust into your house to stop you from downloading music, despite what the commercial claims. They bust into your house if they have a warrant for a violent crime or a drug-related crime (presumably because they're worried that somebody heavily involved in drugs and drug dealing will be erratic when the police come, which is actually valid, because police officers have been killed in the past). Now, I realize you used a relatively insignificant crime in order to sway the argument in the direction of "these guys are jackasses", so I will revert the question back to "If there was a search warrant for marijuana out for you, and the SWAT Team came in and killed your cat dog, you would be okay with it?"

No, I wouldn't be okay with it. I'm under arrest, and my dog is dead. Now, if I was actually dealing marijuana, that is about what I can expect. If I was innocent of the crime and only had a few grams in my dresser, as is being suggested here, I would probably be pissed off. I would not be pissed off at the SWAT team, however. It's fruitless. It's like being stabbed and getting pissed off at the knife. I would be upset with whoever signed the search warrant based on a tip (and, moreover, on whoever called in an anonymous tip on my house). The SWAT team shot the dog because there was a chance the dog could maul them when it saw them taking away their master. The shootings in the video were spaced apart not just by a few seconds, either, but by close to a minute. From the angle we get, it even appears as if the pitbull and the corgi arrived on scene at different times, so it isn't as if they sat there and stared at the police.
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« Reply #164 on: May 07, 2010, 12:30:41 pm »

My ass. The swat team should pay for it. And you would think the same if it had been you

And you know what, I dont even care if they indeed overstepped their own rules, or they indeed have a "kill any dog on sight" regulation. If I was in the situation, you can be sure as hell I'd try to make their lives sadder, both them and whoever sent them against me, if I could.

Which is what this Cheye Calvo is doing, after all. I sympathize with the man, and wish him the best of luck at getting at these stormtrooper wannabes.
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