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[Shidoni]

I started doing this myself, figuring no one else would be silly enough to try, and just stumbled across this. You've done a lot more work than me, and done it well.

The way I've been doing it is to use the caste system for different evolution levels of the same creature. That way, a Blastoise and a Squirtle can interbreed and create a Wartortle, but instances like the "spontaneous Wailord" example wouldn't happen.

It does mean egg groups are still not working, but I like this solution. Thoughts?

[turgidtoupee]

I started doing this myself, figuring no one else would be silly enough to try, and just stumbled across this. You've done a lot more work than me, and done it well.

The way I've been doing it is to use the caste system for different evolution levels of the same creature. That way, a Blastoise and a Squirtle can interbreed and create a Wartortle, but instances like the "spontaneous Wailord" example wouldn't happen.

It does mean egg groups are still not working, but I like this solution. Thoughts?

Could be a good idea if done well. I don't actually know how I'd do it though, in regards to naming and stuff, so do go on.

Also, if anyone has any ideas of how to make ghost pokemon, I'm all ears. One idea I thought of was to make them vermin, but that would mean nobody would attack them. Open for suggestion on this.

[Shidoni]

Well, if you're interested, here's what I did with the Ursaring (I started with a pokemon that's almost identical to its base creature, the grizzly bear, to make sure castes were the only thing I was testing).

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[CREATURE:URSARING]
   [DESCRIPTION:In forests, it is said that there are many streams and towering trees where an Ursaring gathers food. It walks through its forest collecting food every day.]
   [NAME:ursaring:ursarings:ursaring]
   [CHILD:1][GENERAL_CHILD_NAME:teddiursa cub:teddiursa cubs]
   [CREATURE_TILE:'O'][COLOR:6:0:0]
   [PETVALUE:300]
   [PET][trAINABLE][MOUNT]
   [NATURAL]
   [LARGE_ROAMING][FREQUENCY:5]
   [POPULATION_NUMBER:2:3]
   [CLUSTER_NUMBER:1:1]
   [BIOME:FOREST_TAIGA]
   [BIOME:ANY_TEMPERATE_FOREST]
   [BIOME:SUBTERRANEAN_CHASM]
   [CURIOUSBEAST_EATER]
   [CURIOUSBEAST_GUZZLER]
   [GRASSTRAMPLE:0]
   [LARGE_PREDATOR]
   [NO_WINTER][MEANDERER]
   [PREFSTRING:strength]
   [PREFSTRING:fondness for honey]
   
[BODY:QUADRUPED:TAIL:2EYES:2EARS:NOSE:2LUNGS:HEART:GUTS:ORGANS:THROAT:NECK:SPINE:BRAIN:SKULL:5TOES_FQ:3TOES_RQ:MOUTH:GENERIC_TEETH_WITH_LARGE_EYE_TEETH:RIBCAGE]
   [BODYGLOSS:PAW]
   [BODY_DETAIL_PLAN:STANDARD_MATERIALS]
   [BODY_DETAIL_PLAN:STANDARD_TISSUES]
      [SELECT_TISSUE:HAIR]
         [INSULATION:200]
   [BODY_DETAIL_PLAN:VERTEBRATE_TISSUE_LAYERS:SKIN:FAT:MUSCLE:BONE:CARTILAGE]
   [BODY_DETAIL_PLAN:BODY_HAIR_TISSUE_LAYERS:HAIR]
   [USE_MATERIAL_TEMPLATE:NAIL:NAIL_TEMPLATE]
   [USE_TISSUE_TEMPLATE:NAIL:NAIL_TEMPLATE]
   [TISSUE_LAYER:BY_CATEGORY:TOE:NAIL:FRONT]
   [SELECT_TISSUE_LAYER:HEART:BY_CATEGORY:HEART]
    [PLUS_TISSUE_LAYER:SKIN:BY_CATEGORY:THROAT]
      [TL_MAJOR_ARTERIES]
   [BODY_DETAIL_PLAN:STANDARD_HEAD_POSITIONS]
   [BODY_DETAIL_PLAN:HUMANOID_RIBCAGE_POSITIONS]
   [USE_MATERIAL_TEMPLATE:SINEW:SINEW_TEMPLATE]
   [TENDONS:LOCAL_CREATURE_MAT:SINEW:200]
   [liGAMENTS:LOCAL_CREATURE_MAT:SINEW:200]
   [HAS_NERVES]
   [USE_MATERIAL_TEMPLATE:BLOOD:BLOOD_TEMPLATE]
   [BLOOD:LOCAL_CREATURE_MAT:BLOOD:LIQUID]
   [CREATURE_CLASS:GENERAL_POISON]
   [GETS_WOUND_INFECTIONS]
   [GETS_INFECTIONS_FROM_ROT]
   [USE_MATERIAL_TEMPLATE:PUS:PUS_TEMPLATE]
   [PUS:LOCAL_CREATURE_MAT:PUS:LIQUID]
   [BODY_SIZE:0:0:8800]
   [BODY_SIZE:1:0:60000]
   [BODY_SIZE:2:0:125800]
   [BODY_APPEARANCE_MODIFIER:LENGTH:90:95:98:100:102:105:110]
   [BODY_APPEARANCE_MODIFIER:HEIGHT:90:95:98:100:102:105:110]
   [BODY_APPEARANCE_MODIFIER:BROADNESS:90:95:98:100:102:105:110]
   [MAXAGE:20:30]
   [ATTACK:BITE:CHILD_BODYPART_GROUP:BY_CATEGORY:HEAD:BY_CATEGORY:TOOTH]
      [ATTACK_SKILL:BITE]
      [ATTACK_VERB:bite:bites]
      [ATTACK_CONTACT_PERC:100]
      [ATTACK_PENETRATION_PERC:100]
      [ATTACK_FLAG_EDGE]
      [ATTACK_PRIORITY:MAIN]
      [ATTACK_FLAG_CANLATCH]
   [ATTACK:SCRATCH:CHILD_TISSUE_LAYER_GROUP:BY_TYPE:STANCE:BY_CATEGORY:ALL:NAIL]
      [ATTACK_SKILL:GRASP_STRIKE]
      [ATTACK_VERB:scratch:scratches]
      [ATTACK_CONTACT_PERC:100]
      [ATTACK_PENETRATION_PERC:100]
      [ATTACK_FLAG_EDGE]
      [ATTACK_PRIORITY:SECOND]
   [DIURNAL]
   [HOMEOTHERM:10067]
   [SWIMS_INNATE][SWIM_SPEED:2500]
   [MUNDANE]
   [CASTE:URSARING_FEMALE]
      [FEMALE]
   [CASTE_NAME:ursaring:ursarings:ursaring]
   [CASTE:URSARING_MALE]
      [MALE]
   [CASTE_NAME:ursaring:ursarings:ursaring]
   [CASTE:TEDDIURSA_FEMALE]
      [FEMALE]
   [CASTE_NAME:teddiursa:teddiursas:teddiursa]
   [CASTE:TEDDIURSA_MALE]
      [MALE]
   [CASTE_NAME:teddiursa:teddiursas:teddiursa]
   [SELECT_CASTE:ALL]
      [SET_TL_GROUP:BY_CATEGORY:ALL:HAIR]
         [TL_COLOR_MODIFIER:BROWN:10:BURNT_SIENNA:10:MOSS_GREEN:1:TAN:10:OLIVE:1]
            [TLCM_NOUN:hair:SINGULAR]
      [SET_TL_GROUP:BY_CATEGORY:ALL:SKIN]
        [TL_COLOR_MODIFIER:BROWN:1:BURNT_UMBER:1:CINNAMON:1:COPPER:1:DARK_BROWN:1:DARK_PEACH:1:DARK_TAN:1:ECRU:1:PALE_BROWN:1:PALE_CHESTNUT:1:PALE_PINK:1:PEACH:1:PINK:1:RAW_UMBER:1:SEPIA:1:TAN:1:TAUPE_PALE:1:TAUPE_SANDY:1]
            [TLCM_NOUN:skin:SINGULAR]
      [SET_TL_GROUP:BY_CATEGORY:EYE:EYE]
         [TL_COLOR_MODIFIER:IRIS_EYE_BLACK:1:IRIS_EYE_BLUE:1]
            [TLCM_NOUN:eyes:PLURAL]
   [SELECT_MATERIAL:ALL]
      [MULTIPLY_VALUE:2]
   [SELECT_CASTE:TEDDIURSA_FEMALE]
    [SELECT_ADDITIONAL_CASTE:TEDDIURSA_MALE]
   [BODY_SIZE:0:0:1000]
   [BODY_SIZE:1:0:5000]
   [BODY_SIZE:2:0:8800]

All creatures in the basic raws seem to be divided into male and female castes, so that's what I did here too, though I'm not sure whether it's necessary.

The way I've been doing it, all members of the species are called by the name of the base evolution as children ("teddiursa cub") even if that's not what they technically are. This will be a problem with things that radically change as they evolve (flying charmander hatchlings would be a problem for example) so they might have to be born fully evolved.

This probably does cause the problem that they all show up as "ursaring" in the embark screen and the diplomat's request window. I personally think that's a reasonable compromise, but some people might disagree. I tested them in the arena, though, and was able to tell ursaring from teddiursa.

[turboburrito]

You Dwarvemon people need to make pokemon a single creature and define all the pokemon in castes.

I think a few people, including me, misread this as saying, "Put all Pokemon as castes underneath one creature."

No they wouldn't.

That's retarded.

No it won't. I don't think you know how castes work.

Why are you acting like a know-it-all condescending jerk? Maybe you do know a lot, and maybe some one else doesn't know as much, but that doesn't mean you have to be so unfriendly about it.  Aren't forums supposed to be about having a community?

[Lofn]

Why are you acting like a know-it-all condescending jerk? Maybe you do know a lot, and maybe some one else doesn't know as much, but that doesn't mean you have to be so unfriendly about it.  Aren't forums supposed to be about having a community?

That's just Squeegy doing his thing, don't let it get to you.

Ghost Pokemon could be replicated with flame-like tissue layers.

[turgidtoupee]

Why are you acting like a know-it-all condescending jerk? Maybe you do know a lot, and maybe some one else doesn't know as much, but that doesn't mean you have to be so unfriendly about it.  Aren't forums supposed to be about having a community?

That's just Squeegy doing his thing, don't let it get to you.

Ghost Pokemon could be replicated with flame-like tissue layers.

I presume you mean some do-all tissue with [TISSUE_MAT_STATE:GAS]? I'll look into this, but if I'm right this will make them completely invulnerable to damage.

On second thoughts, maybe if I used this with a normal heart, that'd be decent.

[Coidzure Dreams]

Why are you acting like a know-it-all condescending jerk? Maybe you do know a lot, and maybe some one else doesn't know as much, but that doesn't mean you have to be so unfriendly about it.  Aren't forums supposed to be about having a community?

That's just Squeegy doing his thing, don't let it get to you.

Ghost Pokemon could be replicated with flame-like tissue layers.

I presume you mean some do-all tissue with [TISSUE_MAT_STATE:GAS]? I'll look into this, but if I'm right this will make them completely invulnerable to damage.

On second thoughts, maybe if I used this with a normal heart, that'd be decent.

Well, dwarfs can't hurt demons made out of steam, so....

This probably does cause the problem that they all show up as "ursaring" in the embark screen and the diplomat's request window. I personally think that's a reasonable compromise, but some people might disagree. I tested them in the arena, though, and was able to tell ursaring from teddiursa.

Interesting...  Too bad you can't have them called "Caste" Cubs or something.

[Shidoni]

Interesting...  Too bad you can't have them called "Caste" Cubs or something.

Actually, you can. Have you noticed that, in the new version, you can tell cow calves from bull calves?

I just defined them both as being called "teddiursa cub" because all ursaring are born as teddiursa.

[turgidtoupee]

Does anyone know how to make a particular tissue layer thicker than normal? For example, to make something more muscular or fatter?

[Deon]

Code: [Select]

[BODY_DETAIL_PLAN:VERTEBRATE_TISSUE_LAYERS]
in SKIN, FAT, MUSCLE, BONE and CARTILAGE.
[BP_LAYERS:BY_CATEGORY:BODY:ARG3:50:ARG2:5:ARG1:1]
...
50, 5, 1 are relative thickness values. You have to make a separate body detail plan for your critter for it to work.

[turgidtoupee]

Drat, I was hoping it'd be easier than that.

[Seagoon]

The DL seems to be for v.2 rather than v.3?

[Lofn]

Drat, I was hoping it'd be easier than that.

It is.  You should just be able to use something like:

Code: [Select]

[USE_TISSUE_TEMPLATE:SKIN:SKIN_TEMPLATE]
[RELATIVE_THICKNESS:6]


[Deon]

Yeah, Lofn, good idea. I am just too used to make creature-specific plans . It's not a very good habit.

[Rumrusher]

is there a way to get mewtwo to be [intelligent]  have a psi push dust attack
and have him(?) be a caste for mew?