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Nikov

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Re: Food for the perpetually hungry
« Reply #60 on: March 02, 2010, 07:17:24 pm »

CONSTABLE
... And then give them great meals of beef and
iron and steel, they will eat like wolves and fight like devils.

ORLÉANS
Ay, but these English are shrewdly out of beef.

CONSTABLE
Then shall we find tomorrow they have only stomachs to
eat and none to fight. Now is it time to arm. Come, shall we
about it?

ORLÉANS
It is now two o'clock. But, let me see, by ten
We shall have each a hundred Englishmen.
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Re: Food for the perpetually hungry
« Reply #61 on: March 02, 2010, 07:38:29 pm »

I haven't read the whole thread but yeah rice and other starches like potatoes are filling.

Nuts are hard to beat nutritionally, loaded with protein, fiber and healthy fats.

Beans are very cheap and filling, definitely good for replacing meat. Also just keep a lot of fruit on hand and stuff your face whenever you're hungry. It will fuel your brain and you're not gonna gain weight even if you eat loads of it (although it sounds like you could stand to gain some weight).
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Re: Food for the perpetually hungry
« Reply #62 on: March 02, 2010, 08:25:22 pm »

CONSTABLE
... And then give them great meals of beef and
iron and steel, they will eat like wolves and fight like devils.

ORLÉANS
Ay, but these English are shrewdly out of beef.

CONSTABLE
Then shall we find tomorrow they have only stomachs to
eat and none to fight. Now is it time to arm. Come, shall we
about it?

ORLÉANS
It is now two o'clock. But, let me see, by ten
We shall have each a hundred Englishmen.

Trying to remember... Joan of Arc?
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Re: Food for the perpetually hungry
« Reply #63 on: March 02, 2010, 09:17:23 pm »

Of course!  I wondered why he was female and wore a kimono.

As for 400 kcal a day... Christ.  I mean, I suppose a smaller woman is likely to have a lower metabolic rate, but still...

I guess you could try building up gradually - any sudden increase is gonna make you sick.

Yeah... weighed 105 pounds (same height) at one point, complete with occasionally just not eating for 24 hours.  It generally sucked and wasn't worth it, because when you live through a haze due to lack of calories you can't do math or concentrate.  Period.  Okay, the crazy mood swings sucked, too.  I cycled from happy to depressed to enraged back to happy, often in seconds.  Often the solution to my being angry at someone is for them to feed me, because I didn't notice I was hungry >_>

I don't have a problem with eating more, because when I don't eat enough I can't do math (and it's generally hard to nauseate me unless I'm eating one of the foods on The List).  So really, it's fine.  I just have to figure out what/how much to eat.
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Re: Food for the perpetually hungry
« Reply #64 on: March 03, 2010, 12:21:38 am »

Trying to remember... Joan of Arc?

Henry V.

"From now on each man would receive two ounces of bread per day, soup without fat for lunch, soup for dinner with a can of meat when it was available."

If this sounds like your diet, you should go slaughter your pack horse and start bayoneting rats because Germans in Stalingrad were eating more.
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Re: Food for the perpetually hungry
« Reply #65 on: March 03, 2010, 12:29:25 am »

I... well, shit.

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Re: Food for the perpetually hungry
« Reply #66 on: March 03, 2010, 12:37:04 am »

Occasionally healthy-looking men would go out for morning stand-to and not come back. When discovered, they had simply slumped over in their foxholes without signs of violence. Investigating for suicide or possibly chemical weapons, autopsies revealed their intestines contained little more than a thin, clear jelly and their heart's left ventricle had atrophied until failure. They had simply been strung out on enough food to keep from starving, but their internal organs began failing at random.

So yes, if your diet is a slice of rye bread, two cups of pea soup and a tin of Vienna sausages, you are at risk of starving to death.
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Re: Food for the perpetually hungry
« Reply #67 on: March 03, 2010, 12:57:32 am »

I have a little more, but not by much...
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Re: Food for the perpetually hungry
« Reply #68 on: March 03, 2010, 01:21:05 am »

I have a little more, but not by much...

I used to eat less, some days =/  Now I eat... er... let's just say it's about 3 times that or something.  Much better idea.
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Re: Food for the perpetually hungry
« Reply #69 on: March 03, 2010, 08:40:37 am »

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Re: Food for the perpetually hungry
« Reply #70 on: March 03, 2010, 11:22:36 am »

Nikov, though I agree with your point, in that the body is generally right when it comes to matters of hunger and need to eat (there are exceptions either way, and I might suggest you research "Rabbit Starvation" for a non-genetic example) I think you may have missunderstood the subject of this discussion. It's about making a diet more sensible by adding more calories to it.

I think you're picking up on everyone venting all their vices, in regards to chronic undereating. I'm guilty too, since I eat mabe 1-2 meals a day, and one of those may be a bowl of cereal.

Vector, quick question: have you noticed a marked difference in mental clarity after increasing your caloric intake? I've been blaming my lack of a reasonable sleep schedule (4-6 hours most nights, punctuated by 6-10 on weekends), and have been focused on balancing that one out. I'm starting to wonder if it might be tied more to my diet.
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Re: Food for the perpetually hungry
« Reply #71 on: March 03, 2010, 11:31:18 am »

Nikov, I'm not trying to be hungry. However, being a college student, my opportunities to eat are limited by my schedule and the awful hours of my dining commons (that takes a 10-ish-minute bus ride from whenever the bus shows up or a 20-minute walk), so frequently I don't have the option of getting proper food into my body because it requires a time commitment of well over half an hour just for traveling to and from campus, possibly much more depending on when the bus back arrives or if a bus shows up a minute early and I miss it. Hell, on the weekend (when I'm not on campus because of classes anyway) the bus to campus around dinnertime pops in scarcely more than once an hour.

Fast food can be used to take the edge off this, but it takes a heavy toll on my budget (in terms of cost vs. amount of food, the ratio really isn't that good) and Jack-in-the-Box isn't exactly ideal health food. Half the reason I'm in this thread is I'm looking for something decent to shove into my room's tiny-ass fridge-with-no-freezer that I can eat between real meals. So once I have an opportunity to actually pick some food up, I won't be constantly hungry, in theory.
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« Reply #72 on: March 03, 2010, 02:27:01 pm »

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The money in my pocket is controlled by my mother.  Everyone around me thought I was dying as a child because I was so thin and looked malnourished, but her argument is that I was just right.  Same goes for when I used to starve myself--she said I "looked perfect."

She's the sort of person who gets unhappy at you for putting sugar in your morning chai for a while, because it will obviously evolve into a lifetime sugar habit.  She's the sort of person who tells an (extremely thin) 9-year-old that she needs to watch her weight, because if she ends up with fat on her stomach OH NO.

This is one of the reasons why I did what I did, which I am not doing now largely because I refuse to listen to her.  At the moment, I am trying to find food available from my dining hall to fill the hole caused by my lack of budget.


I am venting because for years no one knew about this but me, and as far as I know no one who actually knows me knows it but me.  So, rather than letting it fester, I'm putting it down here.


I am hungry.  I eat until I am not hungry.  The question, though, is "what is good to eat?"  Is there anything I can do so that my meals are more spread out, rather than having my body demand a meal every three hours--as-in, near the beginning of this I had to eat 5 full meals a day.  I've been insane before, for years, and this is not it.

So yeah.  Here's the way it works: I eat a meal.  I fill up.  I study for three hours.  I am ravenous.  I eat a meal.  Repeat... it's a major annoyance.  The lifestyle I am pursuing is that of "mathematician," not of starving waif.  The problem with pursuing the lifestyle of a mathematician is that it is, as my mentor told me, a bit like being a mountain climber (he found he had to eat the same amount for both, and he pursued climbing before changing his focus to mathematics).  Hence the "perpetually hungry," since that's just the way it goes.  Mathematics is extraordinarily hard work, and hard work makes you hungry.


Nikov, I'm not trying to be hungry. However, being a college student, my opportunities to eat are limited by my schedule and the awful hours of my dining commons (that takes a 10-ish-minute bus ride from whenever the bus shows up or a 20-minute walk), so frequently I don't have the option of getting proper food into my body because it requires a time commitment of well over half an hour just for traveling to and from campus, possibly much more depending on when the bus back arrives or if a bus shows up a minute early and I miss it. Hell, on the weekend (when I'm not on campus because of classes anyway) the bus to campus around dinnertime pops in scarcely more than once an hour.

Fast food can be used to take the edge off this, but it takes a heavy toll on my budget (in terms of cost vs. amount of food, the ratio really isn't that good) and Jack-in-the-Box isn't exactly ideal health food. Half the reason I'm in this thread is I'm looking for something decent to shove into my room's tiny-ass fridge-with-no-freezer that I can eat between real meals. So once I have an opportunity to actually pick some food up, I won't be constantly hungry, in theory.

For me it's a 15-minute walk, but it was still so much of annoyance that I've started packing two lunches and going with that (eat one at 12:00, one at 3:00, since I eat breakfast from 8:00-9:00 while studying and then head off to the math library).  Then I eat a large dinner at 6:00, in hopes of it tiding me over until I sleep at midnight.  So far, this plan is working out pretty well.  I'd honestly go with cheese-meat-vegetable sandwiches and a bag of nuts in case you need more to get you through the day.

I also solve a lot of my problems by constantly being on campus, though that may not be an option for you.


Vector, quick question: have you noticed a marked difference in mental clarity after increasing your caloric intake? I've been blaming my lack of a reasonable sleep schedule (4-6 hours most nights, punctuated by 6-10 on weekends), and have been focused on balancing that one out. I'm starting to wonder if it might be tied more to my diet.

So, I'll put it this way.  I sleep 5-6 hours most nights, but I end up with perfect mental clarity after about noon or so (once I've had my tea and been working for a few hours).  It's definitely about the food.  On the first day of my study regimen I went without lunch, since I'd never really needed to eat it before.  After three hours I was desperately hungry; after 4-5 I could barely think; after 6 I couldn't think, and could barely hold myself upright.  On the next day, I managed something like 11 hours of actual work (not just the "I say I'm working but I'm really just falling over" sort) after having increased my caloric intake 2.5-fold.

A week of eating like that has made the standard 9 hours easy to get through, and I'm only being halted by an inability to do more math/concentrate for longer.  Now I'm gunning for 14 hours, which I expect will require even more food.  I'll let you know how all this goes.

More on this subject: I tend to go into trances when I'm solving certain kinds of problems.  This state pretty much amounts to ultimate mental clarity, since trancing means the problem will be solved.  In attempting to figure out the trigger (because I'd really rather have three hours of this than normal problem-solving, even if I end up rather batty afterwards), I've discovered that being well-fed is key.  So yes, make sure you eat, and eat lots.  It's pretty impossible to get any good work done on an empty stomach.
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Re: Food for the perpetually hungry
« Reply #73 on: March 03, 2010, 02:48:28 pm »

When playing music, I've gotten into a similar state. I tend to call it a "groove", but it sounds like the same sort of state... a level of utmost mental clarity, when I can perform extremely well, especially when improvisating on the spot. It's was always been tough to do intentionally, but the main key was in letting my mind just think, without letting it realizing it was thinking... it's a bit of a Zen thing. In addition to the dietary thing, you might want to look into meditative techniques to help discipline and focus your mind.

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« Reply #74 on: March 03, 2010, 03:30:04 pm »

When playing music, I've gotten into a similar state. I tend to call it a "groove", but it sounds like the same sort of state... a level of utmost mental clarity, when I can perform extremely well, especially when improvisating on the spot. It's was always been tough to do intentionally, but the main key was in letting my mind just think, without letting it realizing it was thinking... it's a bit of a Zen thing. In addition to the dietary thing, you might want to look into meditative techniques to help discipline and focus your mind.

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Dunno--as far as I can tell, it's amounts to narrowing my focus onto intuited structure.  By this I mean that my mind is fundamentally "wired for mathematics," so occasionally I can get all the underground processing to tell me the way things are "supposed" to work.  It's different, though, because I am consciously thinking--it just feels like someone else is steering.  I'm not even thinking in an organized way (it feels sort of like sitting down and scribbling spirals all over a page), and a lot of the stuff I end up writing down is crap.  The difference is that I already know the answer, and everything I write down is an attempt to get the answer out of where it's locked up.  I call it "clarity" because I can immediately tell if I'm right or not, and often say things I know are true without knowing how I know they're true.

The problem with this is that whenever I come across things that don't fit well into mathematical order, I end up panicking and flipping out all over the place  :-\  Trancing also completely knocks out my social skills and mobility, and occasionally my memory.  I think this is why I've gained a university-wide reputation for being crazy: these trances can often result in my staggering my way down the street, laughing.  Some people say it looks like I'm channeling something.


Though I'm already pretty focused at all times, I'll consider trying meditation.  Mostly depends on my ability to figure out the trigger, which I'm kind of guessing might be spending hours in normal concentration every day so that it's easier to slip into that deeper mode when desired.  Well, we'll see.  I did it as well when untrained, so maybe it's not about training... only time can tell.
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